From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: binding ibuffer to C-x C-b by default Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 08:53:16 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87mxqox037.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <8F022F3B2C5D4C2AB8A90CBDD7660FF1@us.oracle.com> <878w29a5ns.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87zkup8qaw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87eic14gfs.fsf@telefonica.net> <877hht4dyt.fsf@telefonica.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1286546024 1768 80.91.229.12 (8 Oct 2010 13:53:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:53:44 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 08 15:53:42 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P4DOD-0001WV-8H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:53:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50737 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P4DOC-0007wz-SR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:53:36 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=33647 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P4DO6-0007wq-1T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:53:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4DO1-00072C-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:53:29 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:52011) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1P4DO1-00071z-Ax for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 09:53:25 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P4DO0-0001RQ-LY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:53:24 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:53:24 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:53:24 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:i4y9137ZAWWkXe0nFEqavD4BGLE= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:131495 Archived-At: On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 04:26:18 +0200 Óscar Fuentes wrote: ÓF> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Leaving the cursor keys to behave like normal, for instance? That would >> be very unsurprising, but the usefulness is debatable. Sometimes >> avoiding driving the user crazy is better than maximum usefulness. ÓF> Moving the cursor left and right adds zero convenience while using ÓF> ibuffer, it is wasting two keys. OTOH, by assigning them for jumping ÓF> from one filtering group to another they become somewhat useful. I agree ÓF> with you and Miles about the "surprisingness", but after two minutes of ÓF> using ibuffer you are no longer surprised and later maybe you will ÓF> appreciate having two extra keys that actually do some work. ÓF> If you say that it not only is surprising but also annoying, I'll have ÓF> to ask why you feel compelled to use left/right cursor movements on ÓF> ibuffer. The convention is to use TAB and M-TAB to move between groups of items (which would apply here). I need to use left/right cursor movement all the time to copy things. It's really annoying when they are rebound. w3m-mode does that too IIRC. Ted