From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10773: set-variable can't change values of user options Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:40:54 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87mx8dt2mt.fsf@mail.jurta.org> References: <87r4y4fik0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1329787018 22332 80.91.229.3 (21 Feb 2012 01:16:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:16:58 +0000 (UTC) To: 10773@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 21 02:16:57 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeLg-0005UF-Qn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:16:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36989 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeLf-0000T0-Su for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:16:55 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45153) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeLc-0000Sp-3u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:16:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeLa-0005Nj-K9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:16:52 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:44275) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeLa-0005Nf-HQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:16:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeNj-0008GZ-9B for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:19:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10773 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10773-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10773.132978709631677 (code B ref 10773); Tue, 21 Feb 2012 01:19:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10773) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2012 01:18:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47898 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeMw-0008El-DG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:18:15 -0500 Original-Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:34143 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RzeMu-0008EZ-SM for 10773@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 20:18:13 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5820E451C899 for <10773@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 20 Feb 2012 17:14:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87r4y4fik0.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:43:43 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.93 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:57037 Archived-At: In my opinion, the best way to eliminate the distinction between user variables (with the leading '*' in the docstring) and customizable variables in 24.2 is: 1. Make `user-variable-p' an alias for `custom-variable-p'. 2. Remove the `user-variable-p' condition from `set-variable'. This will fix the reported case where `set-variable' can change the value of `outline-mode-hook', but not `outline-minor-mode-hook'; and many other similar cases.