From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeremiah Dodds Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed? Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:45:56 -0400 Message-ID: <87mx3vzqd7.fsf@friendface.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> References: <9809cd1a-9086-4022-af79-732fb6149f20@q5g2000pba.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340354774 5903 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2012 08:46:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 10:46:14 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ShzVM-0007Cr-BZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 10:46:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55178 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ShzVM-0003gr-Cz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:46:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41622) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ShzVG-0003gm-Fz for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:46:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ShzVD-0002Bl-Qn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yw0-f51.google.com ([209.85.213.51]:54568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ShzVD-0002Ak-K7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 04:46:03 -0400 Original-Received: by yhnn12 with SMTP id n12so1361185yhn.38 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:46:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=7RfYzSXelid5lCXXoto18mphbjRLMIrn/EIClU9lM5Y=; b=pUwAYpsactc0baTwMYUq2P9olRCNITo/xjwFuokePwotBohQQ/7BXXqhXBt/sHQVBo Bfqv6slf3E2HoTL5vbhfn6R7njoNHnPKGjtqsZ0/pgU/4x5ycPxBOloel2IhlO9rJKdN xRcIH+qnz2HHF93JfKmed/uXaBPJkvVMvOIQmJN0Jck5nZgzYtN0r5er3j+4VLSSih1a xW926ee2EIw5qwRQfMvU/IGKp977oyRbedoA1ArYqdLPf7V8ChxFfCNn90xp2S/Zjat+ u1ObEkP7uYhkSSuPR9PBxplmj7OkbKT8Zg0C5Nef7B3hPd82fBMdZXmn2kJ/OZQZ8whd j13A== Original-Received: by 10.50.169.73 with SMTP id ac9mr868581igc.29.1340354760804; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from friendface (cpe-24-165-217-26.neo.res.rr.com. [24.165.217.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8sm1221628ign.0.2012.06.22.01.45.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 22 Jun 2012 01:45:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Tom's message of "Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:19:32 +0000 (UTC)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.213.51 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85361 Archived-At: Tom writes: > rusi gmail.com> writes: > >> >> Do you think it may be good to trifurcate your 'question-mark' into >> these 3? >> 1. Revitalizing the emacs user base >> 2. Revitalizing the developer base >> 3. In the light of the huge changes in technology and 'demographic >> profile' of computers and their usage from 1980s to now, rethinking >> the priorities/direction of emacs >> >> > > There were discussions about this in the past. Apparently, the emacs > developers consider attracting more users/developers less of a priority > than keeping emacs as it is, that is they are not willing to overhaul > emacs just to attract users who are used to modern IDEs. > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/126892 I think it's more like "attracting more users is less of a priority than appealing to what others are used to", there's plenty of improvement and development of Emacs going on.