From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:15:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87mwpz1zz6.fsf@building.gnus.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373123782 30446 80.91.229.3 (6 Jul 2013 15:16:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 15:16:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 06 17:16:23 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UvUDk-0004ES-Hb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:16:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53436 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvUDk-0007p4-1Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34164) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvUDd-0007oY-O1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:16:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvUDb-0006fO-2Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:16:13 -0400 Original-Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:33910) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UvUDa-0006ZQ-Ru; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 11:16:10 -0400 Original-Received: from 46.157.223.218.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.157.223.218] helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UvUDJ-0001cd-Du; Sat, 06 Jul 2013 17:15:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sat, 29 Jun 2013 10:26:04 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-MailScanner-ID: 1UvUDJ-0001cd-Du MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1373728553.85@jS5qtvas6nYpO1JxqOvuXw X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.224.195 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161655 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > One way we can make Emacs more usable is by giving commands > natural names that make no demand on users' memory. > > Since `eww' has never been in a release, let's rename it `web' > now, before users get it. I think that it's nice that things have names that enables users to search for help for that thing. Searching for "web" isn't very helpful. But the idea of having a command called `web' that would call (for instance) eww sounds good to me. But I think we have to keep in mind that there are typically two distinct things that people want when they say "Emacs, here's an URL". The vastly most common thing to want is to start an external web browser like Firefox. But some people want to use an Emacs-based browser for specific things, so I'm not sure having a command like `web' would be of much convenience in practice. There's also the issue of "what does the user expect to happen when they tap a link in eww?" I think the natural thing to happen is to open tat link in eww -- i.e., continue to browse in the browser you're using. But sometimes you want to browse using an external browser, even from eww, which is why eww offers that as a separate command. So, in short: I don't think eww should be renamed web, and I think having a command named `web' at all won't be of much use, even as an alias/dispatcher. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/