From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Finding packages to enable by default Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 00:09:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87mwkgb74k.fsf@yandex.ru> References: <8761ra7uq3.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386195030 31868 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2013 22:10:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 22:10:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Andrew Hyatt , Tom , Bozhidar Batsov , emacs-devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 04 23:10:36 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VoKeR-0001ut-W3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 23:10:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50574 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VoKeR-0007Dy-85 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:10:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VoKeJ-0007BS-73 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:10:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VoKeA-00006D-Tr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:10:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ee0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::229]:58534) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VoKeA-000063-Mp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:10:18 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ee0-f41.google.com with SMTP id t10so2779235eei.14 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:10:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=xKIASSavrVl8GK69KbDq5olomQzKLsKYhYjGAgfvbDg=; b=FyURefIZbJcy/Cat+9wz3NnRzGLea7srmkd22ekflSLbKOQqthzUhJmhf7Sv6wP5Jh nZiV/CqHPOk3/VgQrr04KkXzcg15qN21ZWYNbBjkISq54BAeUw266WKlRLvbMqiIaFn8 xCEzviQmKGmFzto3GlDjQ8MRBPUmJ5/5VOEVFGwRCCfqyb4EyQQzrWlIqhp9VaQS86we QnP1PpPnAzFEN72Oz+ITSvG8+3NTvKG9H6jIelyPMs48wHdQ9oPbhtNRArGM4Z4XKwgg y6CKentabe/Pt3ZE5+DiMPyvIzU26lyf8nD6RikPsBdqF3Q3I/KiPgSUoSjAU/Az3/ZB Br/Q== X-Received: by 10.14.9.131 with SMTP id 3mr13311333eet.45.1386195017907; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:10:17 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from axl ([62.228.136.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g7sm50361968eet.12.2013.12.04.14.10.07 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Dec 2013 14:10:17 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:18:39 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:4013:c00::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166097 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>> column-number-mode > > We could enable this. I hadn't noticed it as a popular choice, but > if people like it, I have no particular objection and AFAIK the code is > ready for it. It is a rather popular choice, yes. >>> global-linum-mode > > linum is buggy, so it's not an option. nlinum-mode would be a better > choice, but the potential performance issues, together with the extra > screen real-estate used up... I have a hard time believing that most > people would want it enabled everywhere. I've seen many people expect this feature automatically, coming from other editors. I don't use it, personally, so this is one of the examples where I'd prefer newbies to adapt to change and just look at the mode-line in the rare instances they really need the line number. >>> show-paren-mode > > Too much in your face for me. It doesn't seem to be that popular. It's rather popular, actually. And IMHO, it's much less annoying and confusing than the cursor-jumping behavior of blink-matching-paren, which is enabled by default now. >>> winner-mode > > I could go along with that. +1. Whenever the window-handling code does something different from what I'd expect, winner-mode saves the day.