From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unibyte characters, strings, and buffers Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 09:48:17 +0900 Message-ID: <87mwg1ly26.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <831txozsqa.fsf@gnu.org> <83ppl7y30l.fsf@gnu.org> <87r45nouvx.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8361myyac6.fsf@gnu.org> <87a9capqfr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <5335C336.3080108@dancol.org> <87mwg9nti0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83ioqxdzax.fsf@gnu.org> <87ha6hngak.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83k3bacs02.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppl1n2k2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g79cc66.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhvomkfb.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83ioqrbr0l.fsf@gnu.org> <874n2aisqf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vbuq9z2c.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqf6fkg1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sipu9qj3.fsf@gnu.org> <87d2gyfaej.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396572535 29354 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2014 00:48:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 00:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 04 02:48:48 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WVsJL-0006zG-72 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2014 02:48:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47066 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVsJK-0006wh-PE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 20:48:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45145) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVsJC-0006vT-BR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 20:48:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVsJ6-0005Db-F6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 20:48:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:53586) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVsIt-0005CP-Kq; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 20:48:19 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796BF970973; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:48:17 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6D40D1A28DC; Fri, 4 Apr 2014 09:48:17 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87d2gyfaej.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM undefined under 21.5 (beta34) "kale" 2a0f42961ed4 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171292 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I never blamed anyone. People should know the true state of > > affairs, and then decide for themselves. Not in Emacs. It's not up to the individual contributor, it's a matter for project policy, ie, RMS as advised by the FSF legal dept. > The true state of affairs is that the U.S. legal and political system > does not leave much leeway for paranoia. It's as bad as imagination > gets. Oh, come on, David. A German writes this in a thread that a resident of Japan participates in? Have you no sense of history? Indeed, the reach of copyright and patent in the U.S. system has gone way beyond the bounds that even a Milton Friedman can sanction. But it's not hard to imagine worse, even in just that limited area of law. Bottom line: Eli's theoretical assessment of the "typical" risks involved seems pretty plausible to me. But in the worst case, things can get pretty bad, and it's easy to justify "legal paranoia" on the part of the FSF in managing software freedom of selected critical projects, including Emacs.