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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: 17623@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#17623: 24.4.50; incorrect example for `apply-partially' in (elisp) `Calling Functions'
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:37:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mwcwx1ul.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83tx746fgd.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 28 Jun 2014 21:45:22 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> > Say that
> > 
> >   (apply-partially f arg_1 ... arg_n) 
> > 
> > is equivalent to
> > 
> >   (lambda (&rest args) (apply f arg_1 ... arg_n args))
>
> Sorry, I don't see how this is an improvement.

It's an improvement because it's short and clearer than any text that
just tries to describe it.

> Accidentally, the current text is a bit different from what you cited:

I didn't cite anything, I just said that I don't find it clear, because
I think it can be misunderstood.

> > And I think that the paragraph about `apply-partially` should be merged
> > into the later text talking about functionals, because the main use case
> > of `apply-partially` is to construct anonymous functions for usage as
> > argument to some other function.
>
> If you mean this:
>
>      It is common for Lisp functions to accept functions as arguments or
>   find them in data structures (especially in hook variables and property
>   lists) and call them using `funcall' or `apply'.  Functions that accept
>   function arguments are often called "functionals".
>
>      Sometimes, when you call a functional, it is useful to supply a no-op
>   function as the argument.  Here are two different kinds of no-op
>   function:
>
> then it directly follows the part we were talking about.

I were talking about both parts, and that we should say that
`apply-partially` is, like ignore and identity, as well mainly useful in
combination with functionals.  That's all.

Eli, dunno why, but our discussions don't yield any results most of the
time.  I would like to stop here, ok?

Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-28 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-28 23:53 bug#17623: 24.4.50; incorrect example for `apply-partially' in (elisp) `Calling Functions' Drew Adams
2014-06-27 18:41 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-06-28  1:36   ` Drew Adams
2014-06-28 15:53     ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-06-28 16:55       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-28 17:53         ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-06-28 18:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-28 19:37             ` Michael Heerdegen [this message]
2014-06-29 14:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-23  5:24             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-23  9:44               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 11:05                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-23 11:58                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 11:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-23 12:44                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 13:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-23 15:29                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 17:01                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-26  9:26                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-26 20:24                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-27  9:18                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-29  4:02                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-29 10:00                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 17:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-23 13:14                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-23 15:38                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2021-10-23 17:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]           ` <<83tx746fgd.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-06-28 19:32             ` Drew Adams
2014-06-29 21:46           ` Stefan Monnier

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