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From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: run-with-timer does not display message
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 21:37:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mwc3stxc.fsf@debian.uxu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.5754.1405858540.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org

Sebastian Wiesner <swiesner@lunaryorn.com> writes:

>> 2. Interestingly, what I can see, my method, with
>> backticks and commas, isn't that "lexical" - because
>> then, there, the actual values are inserted?
>
> Note quite.  The backquote is “static” in that it
> captures the *value* of the variable at the time the
> backquote is evaluated.  “Lexical” binding captures
> the *variable itself*.

Yes, the backtick-comma is to downright hard-code it,
although it is code, and not a human, who do the
hard-coding...

> This makes a difference if the variable is changed
> after capturing.  Considering the following example
> ...
>
> As you can see, changing "i" *after* creating the
> functions only affects the closure created by lexical
> binding.  The function created by the backquote is
> left untouched.

Yes, that is clear, but this example shows (to me) the
difference between using hard-coded values and using
variables (in general).

That example looks all-fine to me. Are you saying, with
dynamic scope, the `i' in the lambda wouldn't have been
affected by the `setq'? But to me, your example is the
way it should be, natural... Why then, would you want
to use dynamic scope, and why is it the default?

-- 
underground experts united


  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-20 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-15 13:47 run-with-timer does not display message Matthias Pfeifer
2014-07-15 13:53 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-07-18 16:26   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]   ` <mailman.5631.1405701027.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-18 21:34     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-19 15:09       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-19 15:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-19 17:08           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-19 18:04             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]           ` <mailman.5702.1405789759.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-19 17:43             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-19 18:12               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-19 20:06                 ` Lexical and Dynamic Scope Robert Thorpe
2014-07-20 12:15               ` run-with-timer does not display message Sebastian Wiesner
2014-07-21 13:26                 ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.5708.1405793578.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 19:27                 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 13:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5813.1405950328.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 22:17                     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-24  8:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]               ` <mailman.5754.1405858540.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 19:37                 ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2014-07-20 20:11                   ` Drew Adams
2014-07-20 21:28                 ` dynamic and lexical scope, attempted summary with example (was: Re: run-with-timer does not display message) Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21  4:44                   ` dynamic and lexical scope, attempted summary with example Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-07-21  6:36                     ` Thorsten Jolitz
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.5796.1405924598.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 14:08                       ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21  9:23                   ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5792.1405917701.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 13:36                     ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 17:07                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.5826.1405962249.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 22:11                         ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5805.1405934637.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 14:02                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]       ` <mailman.5686.1405782584.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-19 17:49         ` run-with-timer does not display message Emanuel Berg
     [not found] ` <mailman.5455.1405432451.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 15:35   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found] <mailman.5454.1405432029.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 14:34 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:18   ` jduthen
2014-07-15 15:20     ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:40       ` Drew Adams
     [not found]       ` <mailman.5461.1405438875.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 15:52         ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-15 15:57           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]           ` <mailman.5463.1405440423.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-15 16:07             ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-15 16:12             ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]               ` <mailman.5466.1405442248.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-16  1:12                 ` Joost Kremers
2014-07-17 10:03                   ` Matthias Pfeifer
     [not found]             ` <<slrnlsakmh.a5k.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-07-15 16:37               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]         ` <<slrnlsaji8.a5k.joost.m.kremers@j.kremers4.news.arnhem.chello.nl>
2014-07-15 16:06           ` Drew Adams

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