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From: David Engster <deng@randomsample.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master c6f03ed: Fix a problem in url.el without GnuTLS
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:39:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mw6oodep.fsf@engster.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83a92py3p3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 15 Dec 2014 05:47:20 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii writes:
>> From: David Engster <deng@randomsample.de>
>> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 22:40:41 +0100
>> >   . This is true for merges from local branches as well.  Therefore,
>> >     using this option is not advisable for local branches, because
>> >     doing that would mean trouble when I next merge from master into
>> >     my local branch -- I will get the same commits back again.
>> 
>> Do you mean you have a long-living local branch which you regularly
>> merge to master?
>
> No.  But when I work on a feature branch that takes weeks, sometimes
> months, to complete, I merge from master near the end of the
> development, to make sure landing the feature will not introduce
> regressions.  Sometimes there's more than one such merge, especially
> if I discover subtle issues as result of merging.

I see. I guess you could avoid those problems by merging origin/master
instead. But actually, instead of merging master into your feature
branch, I'd rather recommend rebasing it *onto* master, but explicitly
and not as a side effect of pull. I'm not a big fan of 'pull --rebase';
it works nice until it doesn't. As you've seen, this combination of
pull+rebase can lead to pretty surprising results, and the '=preserve'
simply changes what kind of surprise you're getting.

For local feature branches, I would recommend the following (not saying
this is "the right way" or anything, but maybe you find something useful
in there):

- Instead of merging master into my feature branch, I rebase it
  explicitly by doing

  git checkout featurebranch
  git rebase master

- I only merge feature branches into master when they are finished and I
  plan to push directly afterwards.

- Before merging to master, I rebase onto it one last time so that the
  merge has no conflicts, then I merge with '--no-ff' and push.

- If the push fails because there are new commits upstream, instead of
  using 'pull --rebase=preserve', I rather delete the merge so that I
  get a "normal" fast-forward pull and merge again. If I'm really
  unlucky, this new commit from upstream causes a conflict now, in which
  case I usually just resolve it, simply hoping that the push will work
  next time.

Of course, for *public* branches like emacs-24, one must not use
'rebase' in any way but do a normal merge. If the push fails, do a
regular 'pull' so that the new commits are merged and push again.

>> Isn't flattening of the history precisely what you want when you have
>> merges of local branches, so that they appear like they were made on
>> master?
>
> No.  When development was on a branch, I generally want to preserve
> that branch in the history, not flatten it.  My commits on a feature
> branch follow some logic that is important to me (and documented in
> the commit log messages), so that long after the job is done these
> commits make it easier to understand why something was done the way it
> was, and also find the reasons for bugs or misfeatures.

I agree. I misunderstood your statement that your commits should not
look like they were made on another branch, but if I understand you
correctly now, you mean you don't want to have merge commits from master
before pushing, but you rather prefer to rebase (to which I agree as
well).

-David



  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-15 20:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20141211155740.11916.1584@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1Xz67Y-00036o-Vf@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2014-12-11 16:47   ` master c6f03ed: Fix a problem in url.el without GnuTLS Leo Liu
2014-12-11 18:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-11 23:00       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-12  9:23         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12 13:24           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-12 14:28             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-12 16:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-13  0:25               ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-13  0:28                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-13  1:25                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-13  8:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-13 10:16                   ` David Engster
2014-12-18 22:38                     ` David Engster
2014-12-19  8:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-13  9:04                 ` David Engster
2014-12-13  9:50                   ` David Engster
2014-12-13 13:19                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-13 14:13                       ` David Engster
2014-12-13 14:25                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-13 15:18                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-13 19:44                           ` David Engster
2014-12-13 19:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-13 22:00                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-14  3:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-13 23:13                               ` David Engster
2014-12-14 16:09                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-14 16:37                                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-14 16:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-14 17:00                                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-14 23:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-14 17:46                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-14 17:50                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-14 18:28                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-14 19:41                                       ` David Engster
2014-12-14 21:40                                   ` David Engster
2014-12-15  3:47                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-15 20:39                                       ` David Engster [this message]
2014-12-16 19:42                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-17  9:58                                           ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-17 10:52                                             ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-17 15:36                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-17 15:35                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-17 20:37                                           ` David Engster
2014-12-18  4:55                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-18 15:39                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-18 20:00                                                 ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-18 20:40                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-19  8:09                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-19  9:16                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-19 10:33                                                         ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-18 21:18                                               ` David Engster
2014-12-18 15:38                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-18 19:46                                               ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-18 20:35                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-19  6:07                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-12-19  7:57                                                     ` Steinar Bang
2014-12-19  9:09                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-18 20:46                                               ` David Engster
2014-12-14 22:42                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-15  3:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-15  4:46                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-12 20:46             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-12  0:30       ` Leo Liu

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