From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Oleh Krehel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:46:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87mw01uj06.fsf@gmail.com> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434380014 23366 80.91.229.3 (15 Jun 2015 14:53:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 15 16:53:29 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4VlP-0006I3-7D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 16:53:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34641 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4VlJ-00050y-Mc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:53:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44927) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4VlF-000500-It for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:53:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4VlB-0001j3-Hf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:53:17 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]:36360) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4VlB-0001il-8w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:53:13 -0400 Original-Received: by wigg3 with SMTP id g3so80387984wig.1 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ojcNrQwjz+xtsZdnj2ouFocQrLxccfeCGELf+EDANU8=; b=UFe07Xh7nKN+UFtRBkUu+AliPwgohGIBHKI36k2AYhWLPXyots9wD2FNfaz/x1QIxh bJhuGBPVLLoXIYOoH7+X4LgRV0xgZmcKBe7cmfouxhXGiNh2KAhhQOm6tH4Wm/RKv33p tBVFvFta4/A1NFUIcrrbjJWSz5hvRS6renwtn46MRMskRsXKwA/bc8ZwrI/JWVAqcoBv JjegQRB+AhNRu0G/vHkrFL5ULTlftBCClOJIpnpwDmsgPMdXf4RYDvEuQBwBfcmipFyR sdplvsbFGujOW0tBuNiCP1bqYZ0RvMwAk1u1H1Y3dXyKilITutLDKatKq91zkU2cUfA6 qgvw== X-Received: by 10.194.77.97 with SMTP id r1mr53428438wjw.132.1434379991776; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from firefly (dyn069045.nbw.tue.nl. [131.155.69.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fo13sm1075657wic.0.2015.06.15.07.53.10 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Jun 2015 07:53:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:22:37 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187172 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > My view is that the curly quotes should not replace 0x60 and 0x27 in our > sources, but that the option to display them as curly quotes should be > made available to those that want it. I completely agree. I often search sources using "`" and "'" in a regex. Now it's hard to type that in. Additionally, I actually like to see "`" and "'" displayed. So if there was an option to turn off "=E2=80=98" visually, I would do it in my config. Currently, there are only 253 lines matching "=E2=80=98", but they are alre= ady touching some files that I care about. And more are to come, since even the style guide was changed: ;;* When a documentation string refers to a Lisp symbol, write it as ;; it would be printed (which usually means in lower case), with ;; single-quotes around it. For example: =E2=80=98lambda=E2=80=99. = There are two ;; exceptions: write t and nil without single-quotes. (For ;; compatibility with an older Emacs style, quoting with ` and ' ;; also works, e.g., `lambda' is treated like =E2=80=98lambda=E2=80= =99.) Oleh