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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2015 12:12:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mvw8p3w1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m237y0tc00.fsf@linux-m68k.org> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Sun, 27 Sep 2015 12:03:43 +0200")

Andreas Schwab <schwab@linux-m68k.org> writes:

> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I was _very_ _explicitly_ _not_ talking about the "latest release of
>> gcc" but rather the latest release of GCC in the most wide-spread
>> production GNU/Linux distribution.
>
> Many distributions already ship gcc5, some as default even.

That's nice but I was talking about the latest release of GCC in the
most wide-spread production GNU/Linux distribution.  That's kind of a
relevant counterexample to Paul's generalizations.  It's not an obscure
corner case.

Apart of which I am still waiting for an explanation of just why Emacs
should stop supporting non-UTF-8 C source files _because_ the C11
standard now provides the means to place UTF-8 strings in executables
when using non-UTF-8 source files (previously, you needed to have an
UTF-8 encoded source file to do that).

Emacs should support non-UTF-8 source files worse because C11 makes it
more convenient to use them?

It's worse enough that we are arguing straw men all the time, but these
straw men are upside down.

-- 
David Kastrup



  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-27 10:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150921165211.20434.28114@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1Ze4K3-0005KC-5U@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-09-21 19:57   ` [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Stefan Monnier
2015-09-21 20:07     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 16:44       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 21:29         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25  7:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-25 12:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25 13:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-25 22:32               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26  6:27                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26  6:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 14:31                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 15:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 16:01                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 16:09                         ` David Kastrup
2015-09-26 17:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:53                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 19:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:26                               ` Chad Brown
2015-09-26 21:50                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27  4:44                                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  5:29                                     ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27  7:38                                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  7:46                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27  7:52                                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  9:47                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27  9:54                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:03                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:12                                             ` David Kastrup [this message]
2015-09-27 11:10                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 22:48                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-28  2:41                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28  6:53                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-28 15:08                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28 15:58                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  7:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  7:52                                       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  8:00                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27  8:03                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  8:29                                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  8:37                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27  8:40                                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  8:50                                                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:14                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  8:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  7:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 16:03                                   ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 18:41                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 19:52                                       ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 20:52                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:32                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  7:27                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  7:42                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27  9:20                                     ` Rustom Mody
2015-09-27 10:13                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:21                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 21:04                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  8:22                                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  8:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27  9:56                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:04                                       ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:36                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:59                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:05                                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 17:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:51                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  0:12                         ` stephen
2015-09-27  4:44                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27  6:20                             ` stephen
2015-09-27  8:34                               ` Paul Eggert

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