From: "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: why are there [v e c t o r s] in Lisp?
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 02:45:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mvvfadpl.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.581.1445203060.7904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Robert Thorpe <rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com> writes:
> Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:
>> Now that I know it isn't so I don't think the
>> syntax is bad. Actually, I'm curious about CL and
>> using the industrial Lisps to do "real" programs,
>> where types, data structures, memory usage, come to
>> play once again.
>
> There's one thing that Pascal didn't mention directly.... In some cases
> having literal syntax in Lisp is more important than in other
> languages. In Lisp we have the function "read" which can read in
> anything that has a read syntax. Let's say you have a program that has
> an data file format. That file can be stored using "print" and
> read-back using "read". For example, configuration could be stored as a
> list. That list could contain other lists, strings and vectors. Read
> and print eliminate the need to write a parser. As a side-effect they
> may make the file human readable. That makes having a vector or array
> syntax more useful. Let's say the program is a CAD package and it's
> storing a 3D model. That would use a lot of arrays. If Lisp had no
> literal array syntax then lists would have to be used, then converted to
> arrays later. That could be very inefficient for large models.
Indeed, and this is why there are reader macros, print-object, (and also
make-load-form and make-load-form-saving-slots) in CL: the language
doesn't provide a reader syntax for all its data types because there
aren't enough characters in the standard character set ;-) but it
provides the user to define its own reader syntaxes, for predefined lisp
classes and for user defined lisp classes.
--
__Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
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2015-10-16 1:51 ` why are there [v e c t o r s] in Lisp? Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-10-16 2:31 ` Emanuel Berg
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2015-10-18 19:48 ` Barry Margolin
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2015-10-19 0:46 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-10-16 13:32 ` Barry Margolin
2015-10-16 23:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-10-16 1:12 Emanuel Berg
2015-10-17 1:11 ` Aurélien Aptel
2015-10-17 4:22 ` Emanuel Berg
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2015-10-17 15:09 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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2015-10-17 2:22 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-10-17 4:56 ` Emanuel Berg
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2015-10-17 16:01 ` Javier
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2015-10-17 16:34 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-10-17 21:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-10-17 16:15 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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