From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: lax matching is not a great default behavior Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:57:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87mvtqv5ue.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <837fl2qzs2.fsf@gnu.org> <83610ikvto.fsf@gnu.org> <83bna6ipn7.fsf@gnu.org> <83wpsuh6cr.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449226686 23784 80.91.229.3 (4 Dec 2015 10:58:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 10:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, Per =?iso-8859-1?Q?Starb=E4ck?= , rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 04 11:58:05 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a4o3u-0004oX-TN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:58:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39935 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4o3u-0007KO-6Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:58:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55024) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4o3n-0007Gv-Nt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:57:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4o3m-0003Jr-QW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:57:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36483) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a4o3l-0003Ix-DW; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:57:53 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50293 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a4o3d-0001Cc-SD; Fri, 04 Dec 2015 05:57:46 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 62497DF49B; Fri, 4 Dec 2015 11:57:45 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83wpsuh6cr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 04 Dec 2015 12:10:28 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:195875 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 10:33:14 +0100 >> From: Per Starb=E4ck >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, Drew Adams ,= =20 >> "emacs-devel@gnu.org" >>=20 >> > I see no real reasons yet for such a decision. Character folding was >> > introduced with the explicit goal of giving users what the other >> > text-editing and word-processing environments provide, what they >> > therefore are expected to expect. To revert that decision will take >> > more than just "I think it's wrong" kind of posts. >>=20 >> I didn't follow its creation, but I don't think users generally expect >> that (yet). (I just checked searches in Gedit and Firefox where there >> were no such features, at least not in the versions that are standard >> in my operating system distribution.) > > Try more serious editing environments. E.g., MS Word does that by > default. That's not editing but text processing. So we are talking about text-mode defaults here rather than general editing defaults. --=20 David Kastrup