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From: Alexis <flexibeast@gmail.com>
To: Richard Copley <rcopley@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs Development <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: 4K Bugs
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2016 13:41:44 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mvsgpzbr.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM58og9Q_iphrWjabLRLhFzb10-cwvyQgq3f-cco4WDYkijJQ@mail.gmail.com>


Richard Copley <rcopley@gmail.com> writes:

>> An argument could be made that the longest-outstanding issues 
>> should be displayed first, to try to encourage their 
>> resolution. Having said that, it could also be argued that 
>> their longevity means they're less likely to be able to be 
>> resolved soon than recent bugs. So i'm not sure what the best 
>> default is here.
>
> This problem will go away by itself now that we're deluged with 
> enthusiastic triagers.

Heh, well, i wouldn't call the (from what i can tell) 
maybe-less-than-half-a-dozen of us to be a "deluge". :-)

At any rate, i'm not sure the problem will necessarily go away by 
itself, for a few reasons:

* Looking over the longest-outstanding bugs, i noticed a number of 
  them 
  were Mac-specific. As i don't have access to a Mac - i'm on 
  Debian - i can't try to reproduce the issue. So unless triagers 
  have access to a Mac, such issues are more likely to 
  languish. (This had made me wonder whether tags like 'mac', 
  'win' etc. might be useful?)

* Even triagers who do have access to a Mac won't necessarily feel 
  competent enough to try to address /every/ long-outstanding bug; 
  and this applies more generally, regardless of OS. i've been 
  following bug-gnu-emacs for a while now, to try to help triage 
  new bugs, but i only address a small fraction of those that come 
  through: those haven't been addressed by someone more expert 
  than me, and which i understand well enough to be able to try to 
  reproduce and/or ask (hopefully) sensible questions about.

* Some of the long-outstanding bugs have a complicated history 
  that is 
  daunting to try to untangle and work out what the next step 
  might be. Particularly when the history involves a heated debate 
  which has apparently reached an uncomfortable stalemate.

Regarding the last point: maybe at least some of these sorts of 
bugs could be brought to John's attention for arbitration?


Alexis.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-08  2:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-25  6:21 4K Bugs Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25  7:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 17:00 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:30   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:51     ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 17:53       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 17:59         ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 18:27           ` jpff
2015-12-25 18:35             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:33           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 18:40             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 18:54               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:46                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:06                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-25 19:36               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-25 19:56               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-12-25 20:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-25 20:26                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 13:16           ` Michael Albinus
2015-12-26  8:07   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 10:29     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 15:14       ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-26 16:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:41           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 16:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 16:59               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 17:55                 ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 17:58                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:12                     ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:21                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-26 18:42                         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-12-26 18:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27 22:41               ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28  9:44                 ` Andreas Röhler
2015-12-28 20:18               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 16:59             ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 17:48               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-28 20:15                 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-26 14:55     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-12-27  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-27  6:07         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-07 20:10 ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-07 22:38   ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:26     ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  9:20       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-07 23:32   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08  0:17   ` Xue Fuqiao
2016-01-08 12:49     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08  1:41   ` Alexis
2016-01-08  1:50     ` Richard Copley
2016-01-08  2:41       ` Alexis [this message]
2016-01-09  1:51         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-08 12:48     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:06     ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:59       ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 14:12         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-09  2:52       ` Alexis
2016-01-10 15:58         ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11  8:05           ` Alexis
2016-01-08  8:28   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 12:57     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:37       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:52       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11 13:52         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-11 16:18           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-08 15:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-08 23:16     ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx (was: 4K Bugs) Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  0:22       ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx John Wiegley
2016-01-09  0:55         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  1:46           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-09  1:54             ` Spencer Boucher
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:37                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  2:15             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  3:09               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:49                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  4:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-09  3:09             ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:08           ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09  3:33             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  9:05             ` Yuri Khan
2016-01-09 19:27               ` Drew Adams
2016-01-09 20:55               ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) John Wiegley
2016-01-09 21:53                 ` Drew Adams
2016-01-11 12:02                   ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10  9:02                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 10:09                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 17:55                     ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                   ` <CAAdUY-Kfm-0JbOLpi4KE5wkmp6hfG+-y3V-_vTExaFkmF5RmEg@mail.gmail.com>
2016-01-10 12:36                     ` Artur Malabarba
2016-01-11  3:46                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-01-11 15:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-11  6:13                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11  6:48                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 14:08                       ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-11 16:34                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-12  4:46                           ` Herring, Davis
2016-01-12  4:59                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-11 15:15                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-12  2:14                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 15:27                 ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Alan Mackenzie
2016-01-10 16:47                   ` Making `interactive' conditional Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:23                     ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 19:31                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 22:40                         ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 23:19                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-10 18:22                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Drew Adams
2016-01-11  6:29                     ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-11 11:48                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-10 18:33                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-01-10 22:28                   ` Making `interactive' conditional (was: Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx) Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-11  6:19                 ` Making `interactive' conditional Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19  6:24                   ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 10:11                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 11:17                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 13:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-19 16:52                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-19 15:28                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:07                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-19 16:20                       ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 17:55                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 18:39                           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-19 19:02                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-19 20:23                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09  8:06         ` Leaving out non-applicable commands on Mx Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-09 14:50           ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-09 17:32           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10  8:53             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-02-04  3:19                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-01-10 16:07               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-01-10 16:14                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-01-08 10:50   ` 4K Bugs Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 13:21     ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 13:33       ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-08 14:08         ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-09  4:21           ` Andrew Hyatt
2016-01-09  8:42             ` Michael Albinus
2016-01-11 13:54               ` Phillip Lord
2016-01-08 19:27         ` Stephen Leake
2016-01-08 20:52           ` Michael Albinus

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