From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es> To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 19:21:24 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <87mvr9wxqz.fsf@wanadoo.es> (raw) In-Reply-To: CAAdUY-KRpbjDJ6h=QOsWBpOJyJ-GP1ia70YyjwYsNe5i1S=mXg@mail.gmail.com Artur Malabarba <bruce.connor.am@gmail.com> writes: [snip] > == Bottomline == > I don't know if it's possible to figure out the language of the user's > keyboard layout. But the point is that we should care about the > language that the user can _type_ in, Figuring out this (and acting upon that knowledge) looks like a quite complex task to me. In practice, letting the user tell Emacs about how the char folding should happen is more reasonable. > NOT the language that they > happen to be _reading_ now nor the language that they happen to > _know_. What I get from all this saga it that character folding is about allowing users to search for weird characters used by those funny-looking aliens who are harrassed by the guards when they pretend to cross our borders :-) You don't care about what the character really is, you just notice that it is "that character I know with some decoration added" and then use the character you know for searching for the funny one. I hope you all realize that the users who can benefit from this feature are those who are ill-equiped to *search* for certain characters, related to the latin alphabet, and need to that only occasionally. OTOH we have the people who actually write those characters, hence they don't need help for searching for them, and who will be pissed to discover that Isearch is broken. We don't need a smarter feature, we need a sane default, which is "disabled". When activated, act as Unicode says, which seems to be clearly defined. That's it. Much of the confussion on this topic originated on the expectation that the feature could be used for searching for equivalent characters within a language (*), but as that is not what is about, the need for language-dependent customizations vanishes, and with it the complexity goes away too. * Some languages (French) may benefit from the feature anyways, because the "equivalence classes" of theirs happen to coincide with what the character folding feature does.
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2016-02-09 17:26 On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 17:39 ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
2016-02-09 17:54 ` Paul Eggert
2016-02-10 0:49 ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
2016-02-10 2:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-10 3:01 ` Pierpaolo Bernardi
2016-02-10 9:55 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-10 18:12 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10 19:23 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-09 16:43 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-09 17:10 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 18:21 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2016-02-09 19:54 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 20:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 1:58 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-09 21:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10 2:18 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-10 2:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-10 2:56 ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-10 15:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-10 21:17 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-11 3:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 22:36 ` Per Starbäck
2016-02-13 8:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 10:10 ` Markus Triska
2016-02-13 10:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:46 ` joakim
2016-02-11 0:54 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-11 1:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 0:50 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-12 1:50 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 7:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 8:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 10:03 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 11:11 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-12 18:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 18:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-12 19:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-12 23:57 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-13 0:06 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-13 8:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:20 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-13 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 19:15 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-18 20:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 5:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-19 8:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 9:22 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 10:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 10:51 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 11:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 13:37 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 19:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20 5:22 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 6:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-20 9:18 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 10:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 2:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-21 6:28 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21 8:14 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-23 16:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 10:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-21 11:01 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21 16:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 1:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22 2:34 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-22 2:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22 6:13 ` Werner LEMBERG
2016-02-22 18:03 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:27 ` Werner LEMBERG
2016-02-22 18:01 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 17:43 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 20:24 ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-25 12:11 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-25 14:57 ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-26 20:21 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-27 5:47 ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-27 19:54 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-27 20:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 10:25 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-28 6:06 ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-24 13:41 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24 17:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-25 12:15 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-25 12:38 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-25 22:43 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-25 22:48 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-26 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 0:48 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-27 8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 8:58 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-27 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 16:22 ` Ken Brown
2016-02-27 22:48 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-28 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 16:59 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 22:59 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-29 0:22 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-29 0:31 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-29 3:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-27 19:53 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-27 20:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 10:24 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-28 16:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-02-28 17:00 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 17:59 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-28 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 18:15 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-28 18:23 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-28 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-28 18:58 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-24 13:41 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24 17:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-25 12:15 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 20:21 ` Yuri Khan
2016-02-23 21:15 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-22 18:01 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 1:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-23 17:46 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24 1:50 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-24 6:40 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2016-02-24 13:43 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 2:03 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-23 17:46 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 3:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 18:58 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-23 7:50 ` Per Starbäck
2016-02-23 16:29 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-21 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 16:58 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 18:48 ` Ivan Andrus
2016-02-22 15:58 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-02-22 16:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 16:56 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2016-02-22 17:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 17:59 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 17:43 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 18:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-24 13:41 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-23 17:43 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <<E1aYGze-000655-RM@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-02-23 18:00 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-22 17:59 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-23 0:14 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-23 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-24 0:16 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-24 18:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-25 0:29 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-25 16:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-29 0:22 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-29 16:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-29 23:40 ` Juri Linkov
2016-03-01 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-26 20:23 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-21 16:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 1:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-22 9:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-02-23 1:46 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-23 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-21 12:44 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-21 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-22 17:57 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-22 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20 10:08 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 10:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 20:38 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-19 22:44 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-19 22:54 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-20 5:25 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 14:32 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-20 15:50 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-21 12:45 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-20 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-20 14:32 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-24 23:27 ` Rasmus
2016-02-25 20:46 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-13 18:15 ` Artur Malabarba
2016-02-13 18:26 ` Drew Adams
2016-02-12 19:09 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-02-12 19:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-13 15:32 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-13 15:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:58 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-02-13 17:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:37 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 16:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:15 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:52 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 17:46 ` andres.ramirez
2016-02-14 13:59 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-12 23:50 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-13 0:33 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-14 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-14 14:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-15 10:28 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-15 12:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-15 17:45 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-16 13:54 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-16 14:30 ` Per Starbäck
2016-02-16 19:32 ` Ken Brown
2016-02-16 23:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2016-02-17 16:03 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-18 8:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-02-18 17:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 12:37 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-19 18:31 ` John Wiegley
2016-02-17 8:00 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 18:30 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-17 19:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 20:26 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-17 20:06 ` Joost Kremers
2016-02-17 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 22:58 ` Ken Brown
2016-02-18 0:03 ` Vinicius Latorre
2016-02-18 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 4:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-18 11:26 ` Filipp Gunbin
2016-02-18 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 12:30 ` Filipp Gunbin
2016-02-19 15:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-17 22:53 ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-18 0:11 ` Juri Linkov
2016-02-18 0:20 ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-18 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 4:53 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-18 17:07 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-18 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-19 7:40 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-19 19:24 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-20 5:05 ` Elias Mårtenson
2016-02-20 13:59 ` Achim Gratz
2016-02-19 20:47 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-20 14:31 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-18 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 18:18 ` Mark Oteiza
2016-02-18 18:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-18 16:30 ` Richard Stallman
2016-02-18 17:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 16:38 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 17:58 ` Content navigation (was: On language-dependent defaults for character-folding) Óscar Fuentes
2016-02-13 16:32 ` On language-dependent defaults for character-folding Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-13 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-02-13 17:03 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-02-10 13:52 ` Adrian.B.Robert
2016-02-24 9:58 ` Marcin Borkowski
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