From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23006: 25.0.92; Loading Tramp breaks pcomplete in eshell-mode Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:25:29 +0100 Message-ID: <87mvpqn9ti.fsf@gmx.de> References: <871t7d4ion.fsf@gmx.de> <871t7650th.fsf@gmx.de> <87io0i32sq.fsf@gmx.de> <871t752nme.fsf@gmx.de> <87bn69uouo.fsf@gmx.de> <764322aa-50ea-96b4-7c2a-36fbd60b2b54@yandex.ru> <8760wgvql0.fsf@gmx.de> <87r3f4ub0o.fsf@gmx.de> <87k2kvomui.fsf@gmx.de> <877fgvom2b.fsf@gmx.de> <57b602fa-a6b7-48c7-22f0-3751cd956228@yandex.ru> <8737rjol0t.fsf@gmx.de> <67874c87-ff4b-c1d9-8567-4aab31252d0b@yandex.ru> <87y49bn53t.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458638786 27031 80.91.229.3 (22 Mar 2016 09:26:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23006@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 22 10:26:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aiIZq-0001Cv-8H for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:26:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Mar 2016 09:25:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57692 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiIZJ-0001Ss-TF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 05:25:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:59048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1aiIZI-0001Sg-5q for 23006@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 05:25:40 -0400 Original-Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([87.146.58.73]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lu2F0-1ZkaPk3y8U-011VWY; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:25:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 21 Mar 2016 15:23:59 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:hQJtgSbl7OSeK/8dVzuIN5Nah39wXYrP1Lf4xpbpSj3c8+e0nI8 zea/wtZQhsSazY+kVvXQCjgVLfTXxIowuU9X/9GoZL6aNZQa2EDIuE0aWgwOzSOIKxPRO+2 4sqFQ5rlkDgRjWm41/P0Zts3H4NjyXuMKTTdWYh0RSaZVjbPxk6GEhWo5ScGIOZymuuzFvr oFaoO7UtIJ7JYtVM/a62g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:l6TejNgEnow=:4/dcdn/dvr1SBFjFirGmPn gH7zEjeJYvc+X0DESTCB5379SdtQPtZbP4nsuIm3M5jyuLQ1G8mPTG9kBW4WT3+wqco0oXtC0 Y7HfBG476TDGqwjWCvlfbhJ95hjKqA7lg8IvZ/XWRFjHGw7kRYNMimAUIjflN83xfhNsTh3jD 4sOD9dvmmJiCELa2kEJu81PLdHrmTU2+DyiAuq+3NMNzd/r96TO/8MIjzL/dUClLzllHPOKcr CQGR2Z53TW3wqS8YyJEtg7oNrCrEd/34qu+7TU+1wZuLbtLyr0jlXeTKUXr/gVRmuL+MFgyBX CwT/K2O/rbA2IbaLY0XEoVtHyZKTrRjSDDqpqmTEKRexI9etFlfV1jxgJMou0bwEqViipCnxZ IIDstVUf+HQPsjpIDMnYXYAFuYOhz2/30yE80Np80i/hiFyxp89yYKZ2G3/4NhWVP+yC4C/3G MeQrzpdIzS0qgEhIMH/G11XZy5niYZlZfZ/fi2woWurSXzI4i7OejdN0azrZegFRXyFTVw8JZ ddS++HHL7xzIO0+i/6EitxIlQFUmlStJYsaSlYuH1DfGxM0RUAaiaSIKQ70r5po1RzW3hTC12 AU80KNqmE7TItPPyLRnLFtWGvdv/KzDW7emjtygYeWGDK+1AxR4jEXG1p6h6THO5BIuGpWLor APek7P6MIx4QLtbjbu5mRGHQFEH7laDb1ZMjdHoFt44jPWuZVLzuSWiSy2Mf3+Y8REu2iwnGn UUEJZuzG1pbiNyXBnjlwYPRXTkd6nc9Uo6ZtdRuXb8XfWQWaU9EbnB82qhyvtGbNCXQEAb4u X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115296 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> And I don't understand why Tramp shall refuse to provide file name >> completion once the user has asked for this explicitely. Typing >> "/ssh:host:tmp/em TAB" is a very convincing argument to me, that the >> user wants a new connection to "host", > > We all agree. And in that case, non-essential will be nil, so Tramp > can open a connection. It can even do that without the second slash. As Dmitry has shown, there might be cases Tramp shall not open a new connection even in this case (called from an idle timer). So we need a distinction between "it is always blocked to open a new connection" and "We recommend Tramp to open a new connection only when it is safe for Tramp". One single value of non-essential doesn't fit this bill. > Stefan Best regards, Michael.