From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#13949: 24.4.1; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:38:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87mvpjanbo.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <56F12360.5030301@ro.ru> <83y49a4hga.fsf@gnu.org> <56F1837D.4060300@ro.ru> <83io0e4b5r.fsf@gnu.org> <56F19203.5040501@ro.ru> <87a8lkd2bc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83lh54ynol.fsf@gnu.org> <87io08aqhr.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bn5zzzd3.fsf@gnu.org> <8737rbc3e7.fsf@wanadoo.es> <837fgnzyr1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1459096763 18198 80.91.229.3 (27 Mar 2016 16:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:39:23 +0000 (UTC) To: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 27 18:39:10 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1akDiY-0002Sl-51 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:39:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDiX-0006mA-Hl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:39:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46463) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDiT-0006lq-50 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:39:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDiP-0005mI-Ut for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:39:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:43209) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1akDiP-0005mE-Rd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:39:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDiP-0007Sh-N9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:39:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13949 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 13949-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13949.145909669228621 (code B ref 13949); Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:39:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 13949) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Mar 2016 16:38:12 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40336 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDhc-0007RZ-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:38:12 -0400 Original-Received: from relaycp02.dominioabsoluto.net ([217.116.26.74]:36682) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1akDha-0007RG-Lz for 13949@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 12:38:11 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.movistar.es (smtp11.acens.net [86.109.99.135]) by relaycp02.dominioabsoluto.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8F8D23A1 for <13949@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 18:38:04 +0200 (CEST) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A0B0202.56F80C6C.015E, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Original-Received: from qcore (79.153.146.151) by smtp.movistar.es (8.6.122.03) (authenticated as 981711563$telefonica.net) id 56BC428E034D27B9 for 13949@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Mar 2016 16:38:20 +0000 In-Reply-To: <837fgnzyr1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 27 Mar 2016 19:12:02 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.92 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:115591 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Again, the question nobody dares to answer: is there a legit case where >> the user benefits from marking the buffer as modified after applying or >> changing text properties? >> >> >From the lack of response so far, I guess that the answer is "no". > > This is the tail wagging the dog: we are not going to overturn a > long-standing way Emacs works with text properties for the sake of a > minor feature. "minor" is your judgement. And so far there is zero evidence that this change could cause undesired effects. So we have users suffering this bug (yes, it is obvious to some of us that it is a bug) and, OTOH, we have FUD. > If you really want this feature to be accepted, Sorry Eli, but as much as I appreciate your opinions, I'm not submitting the feature for *your* approval. You are not the only one that can approve (or reject) the patch (once we have one.) > please find a way of doing that without any such notable effects, i.e. > count changes in the text properties, if any, with the text changes. You are decided to block a solution for this issue, just because. Got it.