From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: instead of gnus-cloud.el Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:32:13 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <87mvllwqvm.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87k2gs8bak.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878tx77yyf.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468420450 19826 80.91.229.3 (13 Jul 2016 14:34:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:34:10 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 13 16:33:57 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLEa-0004AR-SI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:33:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48085 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLEa-0005bh-A8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:33:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46532) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLDC-0004PA-DC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:32:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLD8-0003Ak-8I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:32:30 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLD8-0003AH-1j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:32:26 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bNLD5-00034Q-4x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:32:23 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:32:23 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 13 Jul 2016 16:32:23 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 42 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:hR/r1Az7QDCteLzlsSQgvIZzhFo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205633 Archived-At: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 17:50:31 +0200 Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:06:34 -0400 Richard Stallman wrote: >> If "cloud" is really unacceptable, this replaces gnus-sync.el so maybe >> it could take that name. But I would rather explain the joke in the >> commentary. RS> That joke might be funny, if it were presented clearly enough that RS> people could get it. RS> But please don't put the joke in the file name. Most people who see RS> the file name won't know it is a joke. With them, it will really encourage RS> the harmful "cloud" meme. OK, I'll let you and Lars and the maintainers figure it out. Let's do the rename, if that's the decision, after the current gnus-cloud code is reviewed and merged, or it will get confusing (because the feature branch currently removes the old gnus-sync.el). On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:04:48 -0400 Richard Stallman wrote: RS> Writing for the manual later is ok, but it should have comments in the RS> file now, don't you think? I already documented many of the gnus-cloud.el functions in my feature branch. I'll add more docs to the code and expand the manual after it's merged, since it's still in progress. On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:52:56 -0400 Stefan Monnier wrote: SM> BTW, the text says "imap" but the code (and the name) doesn't look SM> specific to imap (other than a call to nnimap-request-articles). Yeah, indeed it may work with nnml right now, but we want to use IMAP features in the future. For instance I think the native IMAP unique article ID from https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3501#section-2.3.1 will be better than the current `gnus-cloud-sequence' defvar. And IMAP flags may be good for separating full vs. incremental updates, which currently are encoded in the article subject. Ted