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X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205969 Archived-At: On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:50:01 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Ted Zlatanov >> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:13:50 -0400 >> >> Will the Emacs developers follow me? I'd love to see them use a better >> process. I'm happy to concede I'm wrong and the current process works >> fine, but the evidence leads me to believe it can be improved with >> better tools (similar to the evidence in favor of Git when we were using >> Bazaar). I'm not going to spend the next 6 months talking about it; I'd >> rather know if the maintainers (Eli and John) and other core developers >> are willing to consider Gitlab or something similar. EZ> If you expect an answer from me, then I don't have enough information EZ> to do that. I never worked with Gitlab, have only a casual EZ> familiarity with Github, and don't have any clear idea of what would EZ> that mean for the process. Someone™ will have to set up a test EZ> repository which can be freely played with, and provide enough EZ> instructions for the relevant frequent ops to allow some first-hand EZ> experience with Gitlab (or whatever). Only then I will be able to say EZ> something intelligent. The license is the first issue, before we do that work. Gitlab is not GPL: https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/blob/master/LICENSE Is that acceptable? If yes, we can set up an instance against a mirror of Emacs. If not, we'll need to keep looking. EZ> FWIW, most of the time I use up on Emacs-related work is spent EZ> debugging and reviewing patches, not on stuff related to debbugs and EZ> the VCS; the latter take negligible time. Not sure what that means in EZ> the context of this discussion. In the process I proposed, they are all the same thing, so I think you would find it useful as well. A particularly useful CI feature is that you could review a patch and see that it breaks the C build, or emits some warnings, or breaks some tests... all done before your attention was focused on it. Ted