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From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org, raeburn@raeburn.org,
	eliz@gnu.org, Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>,
	rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com
Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful?
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 21:01:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87muzlt1mr.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1eszAm-0006Pz-Fa@fencepost.gnu.org>


On 2018-03-06, at 00:05, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
>   > Personally, I don't think word processing is a good focus for Emacs.
>
> I want to do my word processing in Emacs,

You already can.  Quite a few people do this, using Org-mode or AUCTeX.

Let me quote the paper about Emacs for TUGboat I mentioned some time
ago.  I wrote there this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Emacs, however, is used by many people to edit texts in human languages
(as opposed to computer programs), and has really good support for that
task.  For instance, while many editors have support for movement by
words, Emacs has also movement by sentences.  Another feature which is
a real time-saver is the series of transpose commands: for instance,
transpose-chars swaps the two characters on both sides of the point.
There is a whole chapter in the Emacs manual describing commands for
dealing with text in human languages.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

One thing that might be nice wrt "word processing" would be making
yanking insert spaces at the right places.  If you have " ipsum" in your
kill ring, and press C-y in this context: "Lorem |dolor sit amet" (where
the bar means the point), you end up with "Lorem  ipsumdolor sit amet"
instead of "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet".  Obvious, but annoying.  (I
even wrote some code to fix that and I've been using it for a few weeks
now, and I didn't notice any problems.)

This is the power of Emacs: the ability to write small extensions,
helping users with their needs.  I think making that easier (e.g., by
providing better documentation) is one of the best things to improve
Emacs.

Don't get me wrong, Emacs has excellent docs.  But if you want to start
extending it, you are pretty much limited to Robert Chassell's book,
which is great, but way too short and elementary.  (Disclaimer: I am
working on a "next step" Elisp book.)

Best,

--
Marcin Borkowski
http://mbork.pl



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-06 20:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-27  9:22 bug#30626: 26.0.91; Crash when traversing a `stream-of-directory-files' Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-27 11:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-27 11:39   ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-27 12:08     ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-27 18:08       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-28  1:29         ` Noam Postavsky
2018-02-28 10:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-28 16:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-28 16:20               ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-28 17:22                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-02-28 18:25                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-01 11:25                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-01 15:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-02 14:11                       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-02 15:06                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-02 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-02 20:16                         ` Nicolas Petton
2018-03-02 20:58                           ` Nicolas Petton
2018-03-03  7:56                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-03  7:54                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-03  8:47                             ` Nicolas Petton
2018-03-02 21:48                         ` John Mastro
2018-03-03 23:00                           ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-04 15:56                             ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-04 17:02                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-11 18:52                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-11 20:31                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-11 21:51                                     ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-12  3:28                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-13  1:59                                         ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-13 16:06                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-14  0:09                                             ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-15 16:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-17 15:53                                                 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-17 16:10                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-17 16:27                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-17 17:28                                                       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-19 20:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-25  3:20             ` Noam Postavsky
2019-04-25  5:19               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-10 13:20                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-25 20:29                   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-26  0:32                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-05-26  0:40                       ` Noam Postavsky
2019-05-26  1:15                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-06-04  0:26                           ` Noam Postavsky
2018-02-28 11:05         ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-02-28 13:20           ` Nicolas Petton
2018-03-01 10:44         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-01 15:51           ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-01 16:54             ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-01 17:15               ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-02  7:08                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-02 13:01                   ` Noam Postavsky
2018-03-02 13:13                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-02 13:04                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-03-01 23:22         ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative (Was: Re: bug#30626) Daniel Colascione
2018-03-01 23:29           ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05  6:31             ` Ken Raeburn
2018-03-05 13:11               ` What improvements would be truly useful? Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 14:02                 ` John Yates
2018-03-05 17:21                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 16:33                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-05 17:32                 ` Rostislav Svoboda
2018-03-05 18:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:18                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-05 20:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 23:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 23:16                         ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 21:15                             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-08  4:45                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08  9:16                               ` Jefferson Carpenter
2018-03-08  9:17                               ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-08 13:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 20:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 20:29                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-09  4:43                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-09 22:20                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 22:42                                     ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-11 17:02                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-06 20:01                         ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
2018-03-06 20:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:41                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 17:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:30                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 19:36                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:49                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 23:00                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 10:56                             ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-09 13:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 16:02                                 ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-10 18:56                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 15:48                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-05 19:05                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-03-05 20:55                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-05 23:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 11:02                     ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-09 22:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-10 20:23                         ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-11 23:26                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 17:57                 ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:32                   ` dancol
2018-03-05 19:49                     ` Variable-width font indentation Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 15:15                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-06 15:34                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 17:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:58                     ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 20:28                       ` Variable-width font indentation Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 22:30                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 22:53                           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06  1:06                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  1:30                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06  1:40                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  2:04                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06  3:36                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:47                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:50                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  5:48                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 13:18                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:11                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 13:15                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 18:26                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:07                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 22:13                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 13:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 14:05                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 16:38                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 17:49                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:55                                     ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:18                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:20                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 18:53                                   ` Sam Steingold
2018-03-06 22:43                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-07 17:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 19:38                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07 20:11                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 23:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 12:33                                           ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-08 13:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 15:15                                               ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-06 20:52                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06  4:05                         ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 13:33                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 14:18                             ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 15:02                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 21:15                               ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 21:47                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 17:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:27                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 20:09                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:32                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 15:39                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:30                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 19:07                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 19:55                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09  8:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 17:52                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 18:35                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 20:16                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 21:19                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 21:55                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-10  0:09                                                           ` James Cloos
2018-03-10  8:20                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 19:48                                                               ` James Cloos
2018-03-10 20:00                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 22:18                                                                   ` James Cloos
2018-03-11  3:43                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 19:48                                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 21:18                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:54                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-10  8:04                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  4:27                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10  8:39                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 11:42                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10 14:28                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 13:49                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08  4:50                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08 13:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 22:03                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09  8:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:05                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 16:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  8:12                                               ` Variable-width font alignment Stephen Leake
2018-03-10  8:56                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 17:30                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2018-03-10 19:02                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  7:42                                           ` Variable-width font indentation Stephen Leake
2018-03-06 16:35                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 19:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 23:05                   ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 16:04                     ` Variable-width font indentation Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 17:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 18:14                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 20:56                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 20:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-07  7:05                         ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 16:14                     ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 18:51                 ` What improvements would be truly useful? Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-05 19:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06  6:32                     ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-06 16:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:01                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07  5:45                         ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 17:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 17:49                             ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 18:06                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 21:45                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2018-03-08 13:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:24                                     ` Alan Third
2018-03-08 18:02                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06  7:48                     ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 17:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 21:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2018-03-05 23:46                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-03-06  3:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-02 20:40                       ` Continuous image scrolling (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Juri Linkov
2018-04-03  1:59                         ` Continuous image scrolling Óscar Fuentes
2018-04-03  7:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-03 19:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 20:20                             ` Drew Adams
2018-04-04 19:54                               ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 21:08                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-03 21:57                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-04  6:27                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 19:50                               ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-05  6:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 23:31                               ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05  2:45                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05  3:54                                   ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05 19:56                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05 22:59                                       ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-06  4:36                                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-06  9:35                                           ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-04 19:19                           ` John Wiegley
2018-03-05 22:09                   ` What improvements would be truly useful? John Wiegley
2018-03-05 23:04                     ` daniel sutton
2018-03-06 20:51                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 11:44                 ` Toon Claes
2018-03-08 20:08                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-12 21:53                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-01 23:38           ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative Stefan Monnier
2018-03-02  0:05             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-02 13:47               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-02-27 18:00     ` bug#30626: 26.0.91; Crash when traversing a `stream-of-directory-files' Eli Zaretskii

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