From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hw Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 00:21:28 +0200 Organization: my virtual residence Message-ID: <87musv60wn.fsf@toy.adminart.net> References: <87sh36inql.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <87k1oeaofu.fsf@ada> <20180825103413.gbm5stsl67j6weow@Ergus> <87k1od7vzf.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83wosd5h3x.fsf@gnu.org> <871sakzssu.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83bm9n6f7d.fsf@gnu.org> <87tvneql3i.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83o9dl2oob.fsf@gnu.org> <87y3coopyf.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <5261e02f-fd51-7e8d-fb6b-ad013ce2e748@lanl.gov> <87y3cnl7bt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <37172f35-6b2d-73f0-32db-37551429071d@orcon.net.nz> <87muszgb8j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <874lf7mtts.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87pnxtqnrj.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <83zhwxxlex.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536196382 14622 195.159.176.226 (6 Sep 2018 01:13:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 01:13:02 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: spacibba@aol.com, radon.neon@gmail.com, psainty@orcon.net.nz, juri@linkov.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, flexibeast@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 06 03:12:57 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxiqv-0003hF-3r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:12:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58841 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxit1-0003Fg-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:15:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45384) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxipp-0000fY-Qy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:11:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxipo-0001hW-NO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:11:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mo6-p01-ob.smtp.rzone.de ([2a01:238:20a:202:5301::11]:30733) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxipo-0001fM-Ar; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 21:11:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1536196307; s=strato-dkim-0002; d=adminart.net; h=References:Message-ID:Date:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From: X-RZG-CLASS-ID:X-RZG-AUTH:From:Subject:Sender; bh=S0JgOnk1t+v5+0vfPe339r/N01dch5jlB/FG7ogSGAE=; b=KnV9TDN6R0z9FQ5xoox7ErGK0oaBa8qliR+7GTJo1U1memWhSf6vVBdlrT7Dr1erAx 1/IqIJ1SYZcZbUGmD2YmCWbPJaL5dku/2pvKa1ERIKi9j+S6S4hBpHwiAwr+27TGBsHW My4/XJVcKvomtG1KQcOAbh1vF2CZpLBp1GBsLFlHQcxnwZA1IDtgBrS3dhmEaP1TqtdE 0q70Z5O5byVrPzPY2py499YblWzuSR8hWhBT51Hh6Zkeq+LWNUrRlyYvJTMGla3bh14x cVq9G3T8y497iJYoAW6BfONrLRFPRKo5XGBAjvJfu7eQdPhVYGk0m3/2YU1NZ1gvcbSc kLhg== X-RZG-AUTH: ":O2kGeEG7b/pS1FS4THaxjVF9w0vVgfQ9xGcjwO5WMRo5c+h5ceMqQWZ3yrBp+AVdIIwXjneEe9k=" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 Original-Received: from himinbjorg.adminart.net by smtp.strato.de (RZmta 44.0 DYNA|AUTH) with ESMTPSA id e03b99u861BX65y (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (curve secp521r1 with 521 ECDH bits, eq. 15360 bits RSA)) (Client did not present a certificate); Thu, 6 Sep 2018 03:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from toy.adminart.net ([192.168.3.55]) by himinbjorg.adminart.net with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fxipZ-00021e-1f; Thu, 06 Sep 2018 03:11:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83zhwxxlex.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:44:06 +0300") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2a01:238:20a:202:5301::11 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229325 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: hw >> Cc: spacibba@aol.com, radon.neon@gmail.com, Phil Sainty >> , Emacs development discussions >> , Eli Zaretskii , >> flexibeast@gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 17:35:12 +0200 >> >> Who would use word-wise movement while reading info documents? > > Everybody. For starters, suppose you want to copy/paste some text > from the manual to somewhere else. And there are many more use cases > that need fine-grained cursor motion in Info buffers. Word-wise motion is anything but fine-grained, and you can still move word-wise with Ctrl-left and Ctrl-right. Did you set your key repeat to be utterly slow, or did you turn it off entirely? Other software also uses Ctrl-left and Ctrl-right, so why would anyone, especially new Emacs users, think of using something so unlikely as Alt-left or Alt-right for cursor movement? There are other reasons, too, like using Alt requires using two hands, which is ok for infrequent things like history movement, and silly for cursor movement.