From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Elisp really that slow? Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 15:46:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87mujlp528.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20190514235412.kncazq45szlum2gr@Ergus> <83v9yb92c7.fsf@gnu.org> <878sv7sp3r.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r28z8zl9.fsf@gnu.org> <20190515210924.sijzy6mnpgzkt4gm@Ergus> <83ftpecwu1.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516161408.4dov3dwk5h4yoizn@Ergus> <838sv6cmwt.fsf@gnu.org> <20190516202327.5cgy2s4kppy3ahxa@Ergus> <871s0yqg2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <3210C8E9-7A74-47D6-81A0-470948E6D09C@gmail.com> <87r28xq0j1.fsf@telefonica.net> <5495188F-7A7D-4E50-82C4-E2CBABD8633D@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="72129"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 17 15:46:42 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdC6-000Ico-0H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 15:46:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48910 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdC4-0007SP-SJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 09:46:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35295) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdBj-0007Qw-De for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 09:46:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdBi-0001og-AO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 09:46:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=50576 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdBi-0001ms-3e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 09:46:18 -0400 Original-Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hRdBf-000I69-Dv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 17 May 2019 15:46:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:1e4HF5GQegdrusSP+Ty0zWF3Arc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 195.159.176.226 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:120481 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >> On May 17, 2019, at 11:26, Óscar Fuentes wrote: >> >> Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >> >>> If "instant gratification" means finding a common ground on which one >>> can get started right away, then I'm all for it. >> >> "Instant gratification" means wanting things that require no learning >> nor practicing nor understanding to be effectively used *right* *now*. > > There is another word for that (and the earlier wheel metaphor may > have escaped you), it is call "standardization". Where is that standard? >> It would be doubleplusgood if Emacs could be one of those things but, >> alas, it is obvious that text editors still are on the class of things >> that require certain effort to be used effectively. > > Please. Text editing is the most common task by at least an order of > magnitude in the IT world. So what? > Even for kids. Well, I understand now. Your standard ends in CUA. It is obvious that you and me have vast differences on what we expect from a text editor. I doubt that we can have a productive discussion, so I'll stop here.