From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: moasenwood--- via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: finding stuff Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 19:34:29 +0100 Message-ID: <87mtwup6tm.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <87a6szjc81.fsf@logand.com> <838s8h2bm7.fsf@gnu.org> <83im7j212j.fsf@gnu.org> <87im7iubmo.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33077"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:Dc5CowuqiAK+cwBfXlJoZMj4jLY= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 27 19:36:02 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l4pfd-0008R7-S4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 19:36:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33998 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4pfc-0000Yf-SS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:36:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42446) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4peH-0000XF-LP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:34:41 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:43944) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l4peF-0006pU-V1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:34:37 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l4peE-0006QH-9W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2021 19:34:34 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:127388 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: >> I think shortcuts are better, faster, they don't involve >> a mouse, they are less disruptive visually and imply less >> eye strain as there is no alternative to spot and pick, so >> all in all, they are much more ergonomic. (Especially good >> shortcuts! ;)) >> >> But I suppose you are right, for the purpose of, with your >> word, discoverability, menus are better. > > Yes, the point was about discovery. > > It's not about using menus versus using keyboard keys to > invoke commands regularly. Yeah, but still, if it is about discovery there should be a solution that is focused on that and only that, that has nothing to do with either menus or shortcuts or anything else unrelated... -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal