From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Easy configuration of a site-lisp directory Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 10:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: <87mtp594xe.fsf@posteo.net> References: <87y29cj65y.fsf@posteo.net> <871r6pu6pc.fsf@posteo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37566"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 25 12:55:23 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mIqZ1-0009WM-1Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:55:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34262 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIqYy-00009i-Sc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 06:55:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50624) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIqRi-0003sS-HF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 06:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:43429) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mIqRd-0004dG-PV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 06:47:50 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12666240103 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:47:42 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1629888463; bh=TOl9iORGFj+bYHmUWkKUY84Nb8ZVqmD+DGy27QMY6HY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=MgvEdcrB0V/qHQ4LYqvzPATyeaVZy9RnDus2Yg3emg3j3uJGqzTFeN8keN4Ryvjkl sgqL3eELd1eySO7lI1GL5oR/VG483XU0aiChVdJ3QmpQyylA00kzyWXhKX0cEPPeiR rIM1LqHrXxPTVJLzFWNwZmN2NDYSKU7SdB0I0P7kWWawQVxreiQsuihQoQFNaJcQsR bSDCePGMYS/jSYdD1ktPYxnGj1l5wpw7UHzEgKzUBf/P9XrfN8DJ067PMDXolAzg6D mJbcAikI3COIQFsbQUtp5EfcX2E/sAg1XlzrgciSVWEfbhdx9PJa/LLL+5AfipkyzO 0XUnakr0KtGNA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4GvjNs6hmWz9rxS; Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:47:41 +0200 (CEST) Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB In-Reply-To: (Arthur Miller's message of "Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:24:16 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272958 Archived-At: Arthur Miller writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> Just wanted to ping this message to check if there is any interest in >> doing something with my initial suggestion? > > I do something similar as you do, but I use it only for some loose > files I write myself, and for some I download from emacs wiki etc. > >>> The fundamental idea is to have an easy-to-use ~/.emacs.d/site-lisp/ >>> directory where a user can clone any repository or create their own, >>> without having to manually add these to load-path, generate autoloads or >>> byte compile. > > I have a question: is it desirable to use a working git directory as > installed package? When I write my own files, I usually don't wish to > copy them over to my "lisp" directory which I autoload in Emacs, untill > I am done. Admittedly I started doing so before git has entered the > scene. Now I guess one can switch branches every time one works on a package > between some development branch and some stable, but isn't it a bit tedious? Usually I don't store them in my site-lisp directory, but just symlink what I want to use from my source code directory. If something isn't functional or ready, there shouldn't be any reason I would want it byte-compiled, autoloaded and ready to use by default. If there is some critical change or something that isn't ready yet, I'd just use "git stash". > What you are suggesting is to effectively use "site-lisp" as another > package-user-dir (~/.emacs.d/elpa on my machine). You are also auto > recursing in all dirs, so if user wish to remove something they have to > remove that directory from the path? Yes, but I hesitate to compare it to package-user-dir, as to me packages stand in relation to some package manager, while site-lisp.el only implements the bare minimum. > Why not hack pacakge.el to use "local archives", would work something like this: It could be done, but as you say it is a hack. -- Philip Kaludercic