From: Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl>
To: Emanuel Berg <moasenwood@zoho.eu>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Closures in Emacs and their usage scenarios.
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 20:25:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mtngu48k.fsf@mbork.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1ct3qzf.fsf@zoho.eu>
On 2021-10-10, at 16:16, Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> wrote:
> Hongyi Zhao wrote:
>
>> I'm learning "Advising Emacs Lisp Functions" now.
>> According to my current superficial understanding, it seems
>> that both closure and advice function are intended to
>> provide a clean and concise method to patch/repair/adapt the
>> existing function/macros with a most consistent way.
>
> That should be one of many use cases for advising functions,
> I don't know how one does that with closure tho ...
>
> I've still only seen two use cases for closures, one is the
> persistent variable (in C you'd use a static variable, in
> Python just a global one) and the other one is the sharing of
> one "almost global" variable between two or more functions (in
> both C and Python, that would be a real global variable
> instead).
>
> And the second use case is a version of the first, or
> extension perhaps, since that variable (or set of variables)
> would also be persistent. It looks a lot like OOP to me -
> I say it in that order because I learned the OOP basics/theory
> before I heard of closures, but I expect closures were
> actually first, right? - and it is even the very core of OOP
> (the coupling/enclosure of data and functions/methods that
> operate that data) - so we can say not without reason that
> Lisp is the original OOP - with the core stuff implemented in
> such as simple way - but without all the other stuff that no
> one uses anyway :)
Yet another use (which of course - technically - is again a variant of
the same thing) is generating a closure whose behavior depends on the
argument of the function that defines it.
<shameless plug>
A simple example from my book:
(defun negate (fun)
"Return a function returning the logical opposite of FUN."
(lambda (&rest args)
(not (apply fun args))))
</shameless plug>
so that (negate #'zerop) behaves like a function testing its argument
for "non-zeroness" (i.e., returning t unless its argument is 0, when it
returns nil).
As a homework, try to use it under dynamic binding and see why it won't
work. (See also this thread:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2021-09/msg00267.html .)
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://mbork.pl
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2021-09-27 9:40 Closures in Emacs and their usage scenarios Hongyi Zhao
2021-09-28 2:50 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 2:54 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 6:46 ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-09-28 8:30 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 8:54 ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-09-28 10:39 ` tomas
2021-09-28 11:29 ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-09-28 13:31 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 13:50 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 13:57 ` tomas
2021-09-28 14:31 ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-09-28 15:25 ` tomas
2021-09-29 3:59 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-29 6:43 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 2:55 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 4:11 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-28 4:17 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 11:53 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-28 14:50 ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-09-29 4:04 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-29 6:10 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-29 12:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-29 22:11 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-29 22:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-30 10:58 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2021-09-30 14:55 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-30 15:54 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-01 4:35 ` Hongyi Zhao
2021-09-29 23:06 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-30 0:59 ` Hongyi Zhao
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2021-09-30 13:27 ` Hongyi Zhao
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2021-10-01 3:37 ` Arthur Miller
2021-10-08 10:53 ` Hongyi Zhao
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2021-10-10 18:25 ` Marcin Borkowski [this message]
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2021-10-12 5:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
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2021-10-03 9:07 ` Lisp books (was: Re: Closures in Emacs and their usage scenarios.) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
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2021-10-06 7:06 ` tomas
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2021-10-06 12:37 ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
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2021-10-06 20:24 ` [OFFPTOPIC] ACM digital library (was: Lisp books) Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
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2021-10-07 6:29 ` Yuri Khan
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2021-10-07 12:42 ` [OFFPTOPIC] ACM digital library Stefan Monnier
2021-10-12 5:44 ` [OFFPTOPIC] ACM digital library (was: Lisp books) Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-12 18:11 ` Lisp books Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-03 15:39 ` [External] : Lisp books (was: Re: Closures in Emacs and their usage scenarios.) Drew Adams
2021-10-05 10:10 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-10-05 14:32 ` Drew Adams
2021-10-05 14:51 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 7:11 ` Closures in Emacs and their usage scenarios Eduardo Ochs
2021-09-28 7:23 ` Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2021-09-28 7:33 ` Eduardo Ochs
2021-09-28 8:13 ` Hongyi Zhao
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