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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282916 Archived-At: =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >> Raspberry Pis cannot run usably with 100% free firmware, while the old >> PCs RMS was referring to can. > Are you implying that it is possible to turn regular PCs from before IME > into systems with 100% free firmware? Yes. In fact, some small businesses buy those PCs and install the free software and firmware onto them. > There are multiple components on a typical system that use their own > firmware, many of them are not writable. If they are not writeable, they are not free or nonfree, for the same reason hardware is not free or nonfree.