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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284365 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> There goes the _most_ important aspect of this: it's been around for a >> long time, which is precisely why it's a great idea to stick with it. > What part of "no, I'm not saying this isn't > important", did you have trouble with? You proceeded to dismiss the importance of that problem. > That's a pretty broad argument. It argues > against pretty much all of the small & large > changes Emacs has undergone over the last > couple of decades. [...] > It's a blanket argument against both good > & bad changes. No addition of you-name-it. This is not an addition of a new feature, which should be off by default if it interferes with existing code (think lexical binding). It is a change to very long-standing behaviour that is also relied on by many people. > (Think how long the lack of lexical binding > was "established".) And lexical binding is still optional, so the use of dynamic binding by default is as established as it used to be. > (And try arguing "longstanding behavior" > against some change coming from on high. > Been there.) > The number of things Emacs changes willy > nilly, which oblige users to change all > kinds of things in their code, setup, etc., > is far greater than what I'd prefer. > We even live with some changes that are > unaccompanied by any stated reason, other > than a "Because _I_ like it". I did not make those decisions, so I can't speak for them. If mistakes were made with those, however, it's not a reason to repeat them again. > This change would cause no such disruption. It might not for you, but would for a lot of people.