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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293922 Archived-At: Payas Relekar writes: > I only have personal experience, so apologies in advance if I miss > something obvious. I use Plasma desktop (used Gnome for years before) > on my laptop as no-frills feature rich Desktop Environment. I do not > like messing around with Xresources and like things to Just Work=E2=84=A2. > > My laptop display is plain old 15" 1080p, but usually connect with > external monitor (27" 4K). On X11 there is no option for external > display except 1080p so all the pixels go to waste. Only on Wayland can > I select 4K and different DPI settings (125% on laptop display + 175% on > external). From what I've read this is fairly consistent with other > people's experiences. All of those options... aren't actually part of X. Including Xft.dpi and such. There could easily also be a mapping between CRTC identifiers and scale factors in xsettings. > As you mention, there is probably a way to get X11 to behave the same, > but if this option is not straightforward enough to be implemented and > made available by a DE as config-loaded as Plasma then we can safely > consider it to be out of skill/interest of majority of computer users. External monitors aside, HiDPI works fine on most X desktop environments (I don't know about Plasma) out of the box. > Good point. But this discussion focuses more on future that status quo. When will that future be, if under Wayland the protocols for input methods, server-side decorations and output management (for which there are actually multiple protocols) are still unstable? > Oh no, perhaps I misspoke. WSL2 is basically a Linux VM that comes built ^^^^^ Did you mean GNU/Linux?