From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [elpa] elpa-admin 1d766451f8: Suggest `package-install' to install packages (bug#63800) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2023 19:33:22 +0000 Message-ID: <87mszyp9tp.fsf@posteo.net> References: <168924107008.19431.1227792773208531915@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20230713093750.A9D48C06C6F@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <874jm8neeu.fsf@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25807"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 14 21:34:17 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qKOYS-0006T7-Bi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:34:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKOXl-0004ro-4U; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 15:33:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKOXk-0004rd-Ap for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 15:33:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qKOXi-0006X9-TM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 15:33:32 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6199024002E for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:33:29 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1689363209; bh=u9gv1VVhGr7HYj2aZOPPwcb+Cr4YMhHS5cYb1Y/bM4Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:From; b=bcyt/UM+KnC4CrJNK8fePuu5PiWSughkSb5ELS7216mPWN1Lg8gdzoQfCeUBy3oBL gqknRuQHlDqS2r89AeHSd8pM0fddjalXA/Nz2lryjvJHR9lvQKHAtkwbomaOz8jieO nEWs8GjWKl9Je00uZjt9UI4RLiFuOW1vG4AOjBvmk8N6dpwMxX2mPkSa3sAVLdizq8 g/ChTWXob96LjRjJ8ZGXASxaOuY89g3seJCFM5ME+8yQYlzofv0eI+OTyj46VCHoou tSdnU855/8nRDIe1R43A6+mFnMuTT1BzGasNpynGEaou3pD3rBet5op10YXjQ7/hie F4+cy0vP+O2bw== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4R2hTx0cB7z9rxD; Fri, 14 Jul 2023 21:33:25 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <874jm8neeu.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Thu, 13 Jul 2023 13:12:41 +0000") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307877 Archived-At: Ihor Radchenko writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >> Hmm, I don't like this change. >> IMO, we should make this part of the page *smaller* rather than bigger. >>... >> So if we want in general to recommend users use `list-packages` rather >> than `package-install`, let's just put something like: >> >> To install this from Emacs, use `M-x list-packages RET` At which point I question the point of this advice in the first place. > This might also work. > >> But this should be motivated by a preference, not by a bug (which we >> should fix instead) > > There is no bug in Emacs here. Just on ELPA page providing instructions > that are not working for :core packages. I guess that is what is meant by "bug" here, but as the discussion a while ago demonstrated, it is not obvious if we want to regard switching from built-in packages to external packages as the same thing as installing an external package. >> .... , and not by something that only affects a tiny >> minority of packages (otherwise, change the above code so it only >> affects those very few packages). > > I could also put the `list-packages' suggestion behind check if the > package is :core or not. > > P.S. Shouldn't this discussion be done in the original bug report thread?