From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 391ff93f763 3/4: * doc/misc/calc.texi (Musical Notes): Fix build with Texinfo 4.13. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e38628239cab6b6d63e947a0c8251018; Wed, 09 Aug 2023 12:24:09 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <837cq4mo1r.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 09 Aug 2023 14:51:28 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21695 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.82; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308469 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Then I guess we are getting to the point where makeinfo 4.13 will no > longer be a viable option. The current makeinfo, though still slower > than 4.13, is significantly faster than the original 5.x versions if > you build Texinfo with Perl extensions, and has too many useful > features to stay with 4.13. So I urge you to upgrade. [...] > I don't know, please ask on the Texinfo list. And meanwhile please > revert those changes, they should not have been installed in the first > place. I would prefer we wait for a need more pressing than @sub before making such a decision, because Texinfo 5.0 requires a newer Perl than is installed on many of the systems I use. In fact, @sub is not strictly necessary; when the output is Info or ASCII, it emits: a midi number to scientific pitch notation. For example, =E2=80=98500 Hz= =E2=80=99 gets converted to =E2=80=98B_4 + 21.3094853649 cents=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=9884=E2= =80=99 to =E2=80=98C_6=E2=80=99. which is not very distinct from: a midi number to scientific pitch notation. For example, =E2=80=98500 Hz= =E2=80=99 gets converted to =E2=80=98B4 + 21.3094853649 cents=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=9884=E2= =80=99 to =E2=80=98C6=E2=80=99. and possibly more confounding, as underscores are seldom seen in musical notation.