From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Po Lu Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please consider keeping defadvice around Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:51:17 +0800 Message-ID: <87msxs98l6.fsf@yahoo.com> References: <3750971b-2947-65a4-b25f-d3a95a9c9c30@alphapapa.net> <20230911.072032.1439758278993953329.enometh@meer.net> <83y1hdqw8t.fsf@gnu.org> <20230911.080949.1745163659939409042.enometh@meer.net> <83pm2orj2f.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Madhu , adam@alphapapa.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 11 14:52:14 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgOk-0004Gd-A4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:52:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgO6-0000dP-7p; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:51:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgO5-0000dG-70 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:51:33 -0400 Original-Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.189.82]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgO2-0006uN-NQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:51:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1694436688; bh=Z0YBrwCjj/3gIF9aXEoYtohQ82pKhSBwRfWr456nuvU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=m3XvNKqO8w4jwSXnNdXzb3TfTM7wL0xHHqdgNGUTDbkZX+OwhlCUDmirWt0A8BFV7ZyMVKc4BnYS2KhayNCBCTzAkPAWWnl5hmi7aMP51zkLO2EaX9Yua05Kl9gM9Bsac/Cjivo7biSMIr8MENh714ArjC2k5qlmwzie7Y2UCDF5V0txps20TqnFz9tbhZQA1p+8lfgvVRSe3SEhfUCnat0aGOwcU/1H96WZUAUI/TvKvnAK42T47hbtKE0wCmZji8fJDCcxc2tPfsXbdKWWvndFEFLr7S/wzEkNj0ciTzG3nB17rsgaFgbxEGE2SWnfqdw74Yk6N82QYsZpEzNz5g== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1694436688; bh=nNlPAv8HI2f1qsW1R+OIJsI4Qlt3EDz1yi/0I83sGXG=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=IfDQysAcjZ7/CsfNnfAJ9z8KAXCUe7oWsEuOmXjP80jAcr5Hg9j5Jkajfat+bIloLHWGylMLeVVy7kdUO8QBWKr3yXj6RjRfPCGbf2sjJ2Bs554PewRW7LvgkmSN0LIlXeAfGW0fAGWat23x+7t+Eq/a8ibzCQ3qe6fQsQXTE8A/4OnSvdqugMRkV0HEZN4cLaRq8836z+3mAi00RoVAotff0+Q/0/OzDKdvttguivhg4V9DzGMLzxa+mHC4f7m8K/hCn9FiwXJmAxhtS9kUhLzx1zzdPOTyU61e0CWgpXsljcdx3AQY+hLLDpZbT/VfseeHlQ9YiHbykowm8MQrdQ== X-YMail-OSG: kDpd_yEVM1lmvvYpX06YWkPRwmirMYZSataWIiWoj_WjTzNlNwtGmR0VEI2ICQE OUZgN44JX6fAYlr4FNnpLM_gObO55DeiL4fN6g.WK7k9kw5WRUl1D3SjFsmqCZ.XgJ61DdE6HRR5 fZBwynHSrQJtGADV0Ff4rmUXA_VDdoO8DG77d9.vX7qOJCUqJ9XSPhHkVpKRQ_QTkt2e7kJrr_hK 16a4EK2b94kDEsfUoopVaQ2xvaeyUipKWrZmv.NzKBvUtr9KBwegu6Yjuk0KX9st.0YpEUZwBg9m Lt_ngd4ZAodDQ2dATvFwrsjGU5AIEkDwXBMOYmc9We10KIcVyZHF0WBrhfasgZ6_4AfqPAppuqzT HHbe.1uy55CUTrIczWdJlUwckO64IzO8firzNaRN9aN6C2iXdg3K4XyZdiXTDEIqBETDHTfFl71. r8riZzLgtFRiNSoPUHvDXS_RdcP0zoK6CCEL5SEddFXBmKLUQRgBQjFOUTkB9R.WSqZEs4lLcFvM 8WEFUPbTAti8uhwhloZCeOEG9_Y4gRIFpU4SUcDBT2IUZZ9GVgYnBkwMXjEj1YI7txfMRferAHKi fRb9jyXQSUs42wH8SvnM9hVT1I06s5_FOAdA8QFkxYb.DEmQ44XOA7eqJwPGtzghqj.B9RyVfXbi ghhVCJWi.p2AVRXuCZMbitJA5jRCY9PIWf3GqbpkWmB8TRQELH0tcDZ6quB8p3vIp9zi_NYLmbxK gL4hsY6SO8DIYnHoTuHvItFvlSsMboeWuIwASeW1ZT3j_tFRGg0rhJLHe4oSojBRdS6_h6YEhxiA QJuAYfh_PBIilU.Eca3LE8omiMWF3q7sMVx7pDuAp7 X-Sonic-MF: X-Sonic-ID: 20730fe5-54bc-4b8c-b0d7-8f2573f0adf9 Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:51:28 +0000 Original-Received: by hermes--production-sg3-69654d8bd-52vxq (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d3853b58a2ed7da29f396d11f7bb99ba; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:51:23 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83pm2orj2f.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:27:36 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.82; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310482 Folks, defadvice is merely obsolete -- no proposal to remove it has hitherto surfaced. I favor retaining defadvice indefinitely, of course, but the time for making that decision is still many years in the future. Let's postpone it until then: threads like this one uniformly regress into protracted series of largely frivolous diatribes, whose counter-productivity is an established uncontested fact. We've witnessed two this month. Do we really need another?