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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311666 Archived-At: Hello Mattias, > +Lisp debuggers. Each member of the list is either a cons cell which > +represents a lexical symbol-value pair, or a symbol representing a > +dynamically bound variable. I have two questions/things that are unclear to me: First, the docstring of `eval' talks about LEXICAL as an "alist mapping" which seems not to be exact if it is allowed to contain plain symbols. Should the docstring be clarified as well? Second: you wrote "or a symbol representing a dynamically bound variable". Does this variable really have to be bound (to a value), or do you mean "dynamically binding" (aka special)? And such a member VAR in LEXICAL means that the VAR is special when FORM is evaluated - even when the variable has not been declared special in the outer context...or something else? TIA, Michael.