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From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
Cc: 67669@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#67669: 29.1; Drop text suggesting using `and' to replace `if'
Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2023 14:41:52 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87msuk8ggf.fsf@debian-hx90.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87il596kht.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> (Sean Whitton's message of "Fri, 08 Dec 2023 10:45:18 +0000")

Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> writes:

> Hello,
>
> On Thu 07 Dec 2023 at 09:49am -08, Xiyue Deng wrote:
>
>> Agreed on the point of being educational, and of course in the end
>> coding style is mostly a matter of personal preference.  However, I
>> would argue a bit that in such case we wouldn't need `if' or `when' at
>> all as both can be emulated by `and' and `or' if you are careful enough.
>> On the other hand, `if' and `when' should exist for a reason.  I quite
>> like this suggestion[1] that `if' and `when' are used to guard side
>> effects, whereas `and' and `or' are used for pure functions.
>> Interestingly the current example you quoted changed from using `and'
>> (as in the old version I quoted) to `if' probably based on this
>> reasoning.  Similarly I wouldn't suggest to replace `if' with `and' in
>> the original example around the text we are discussing:
>
> It's an old Lisp convention, not Emacs-specific, to use 'and' for return
> value and 'when' for side-effects, and not to use 'if' when there is no
> 'else' clause.

Ack.  Thanks for the historical tip!
-- 
Xiyue Deng





      reply	other threads:[~2023-12-08 22:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-06 21:47 bug#67669: 29.1; Drop text suggesting using `and' to replace `if' Xiyue Deng
     [not found] ` <handler.67669.B.170189926211616.ack@debbugs.gnu.org>
2023-12-06 22:08   ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-07  6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-07  9:08   ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-07 10:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-07 17:49       ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-07 17:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-07 19:54           ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-07 20:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-07 20:37               ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-07 21:29                 ` Drew Adams
2023-12-08  9:11                   ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-08  6:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-12-08  9:07                   ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-08 15:37                   ` Drew Adams
2023-12-07 19:37         ` Drew Adams
2023-12-07 20:00           ` Xiyue Deng
2023-12-08 10:45         ` Sean Whitton
2023-12-08 22:41           ` Xiyue Deng [this message]

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