From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kyle@kyleam.com
Subject: Re: master c86995d07e9: Enable code block evaluation when generating .org manuals
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 19:17:12 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87msnxf1dz.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86h6e5f23w.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:01:39 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> It also introduced the fact that we run Lisp to produce documentation.
>
>> Subverting that
>> requires crafting documentation that causes the texinfo or org
>> handling code to misbehave. I doubt thatʼs impossible, given the
>> ingenuity of attackers, but enabling direct evaluation of emacs lisp
>> makes such subversion a whole lot easier.
>
> Adding that single setq on the command line means "direct evaluation
> of Emacs Lisp", whereas running Org code (in Emacs Lisp!) to produce
> the manuals does not? What am I missing here?
>
>> >> Anyway, the libxz episode shows that it seems to be easier to sneak
>> >> malicious code "elsewhere" (in that case it was the test suite, but
>> >> you get te idea).
>>
>> Eli> So you are saying that our co-maintainers are not to be trusted not to
>> Eli> sneak such code into release tarballs? That's quite an insult, I'd
>> Eli> say.
>>
>> Itʼs not a question of trust, nor an attack on maintainersʼ ability:
>> hiding such code from well-intentioned, skilled maintainers can and
>> has been done.
>
> So you are saying that we don't understand code that we review and
> approve for installing?
>
>> Eli> Why is it that a crime perpetrated by some villain immediately causes
>> Eli> people to suspect everyone around them to be capable of similar
>> Eli> crimes?
>>
>> Nobody is accusing maintainers of bad intentions.
>
> That's not the only interpretation of what's been said. The reference
> to xz already speaks volumes about the attitude.
>
>> My point was merely
>> that we should think carefully about enabling such a feature.
>
> And you think I haven't when I installed the change? Why would you
> think that?
100% agreement.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-07 11:17 UTC|newest]
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[not found] ` <20240606123616.DE7C9C1F9EF@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2024-06-06 14:31 ` master c86995d07e9: Enable code block evaluation when generating .org manuals Robert Pluim
2024-06-07 2:39 ` Kyle Meyer
2024-06-07 8:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-09 17:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-09 18:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-09 18:45 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-09 19:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-15 14:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-15 14:47 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-17 11:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-18 19:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-07 3:54 ` Po Lu
2024-06-07 4:26 ` tomas
2024-06-07 5:13 ` Po Lu
2024-06-07 6:38 ` tomas
2024-06-07 6:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07 7:38 ` Robert Pluim
2024-06-07 11:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07 11:17 ` Po Lu [this message]
2024-06-07 8:12 ` tomas
2024-06-09 2:16 ` Richard Stallman
2024-06-09 18:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-09 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
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