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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
	 tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org,  kyle@kyleam.com
Subject: Re: master c86995d07e9: Enable code block evaluation when generating .org manuals
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 19:17:12 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87msnxf1dz.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86h6e5f23w.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 07 Jun 2024 14:01:39 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> It also introduced the fact that we run Lisp to produce documentation.
>
>> Subverting that
>> requires crafting documentation that causes the texinfo or org
>> handling code to misbehave. I doubt thatʼs impossible, given the
>> ingenuity of attackers, but enabling direct evaluation of emacs lisp
>> makes such subversion a whole lot easier.
>
> Adding that single setq on the command line means "direct evaluation
> of Emacs Lisp", whereas running Org code (in Emacs Lisp!) to produce
> the manuals does not?  What am I missing here?
>
>>     >> Anyway, the libxz episode shows that it seems to be easier to sneak
>>     >> malicious code "elsewhere" (in that case it was the test suite, but
>>     >> you get te idea).
>> 
>>     Eli> So you are saying that our co-maintainers are not to be trusted not to
>>     Eli> sneak such code into release tarballs?  That's quite an insult, I'd
>>     Eli> say.
>> 
>> Itʼs not a question of trust, nor an attack on maintainersʼ ability:
>> hiding such code from well-intentioned, skilled maintainers can and
>> has been done.
>
> So you are saying that we don't understand code that we review and
> approve for installing?
>
>>     Eli> Why is it that a crime perpetrated by some villain immediately causes
>>     Eli> people to suspect everyone around them to be capable of similar
>>     Eli> crimes?
>> 
>> Nobody is accusing maintainers of bad intentions.
>
> That's not the only interpretation of what's been said.  The reference
> to xz already speaks volumes about the attitude.
>
>> My point was merely
>> that we should think carefully about enabling such a feature.
>
> And you think I haven't when I installed the change?  Why would you
> think that?

100% agreement.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-07 11:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20240606123616.DE7C9C1F9EF@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2024-06-06 14:31   ` master c86995d07e9: Enable code block evaluation when generating .org manuals Robert Pluim
2024-06-07  2:39     ` Kyle Meyer
2024-06-07  8:50       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-09 17:55         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-09 18:26           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-09 18:45             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-09 19:19               ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-15 14:38                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-15 14:47                   ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-17 11:46                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-18 19:37                       ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-07  3:54     ` Po Lu
2024-06-07  4:26       ` tomas
2024-06-07  5:13         ` Po Lu
2024-06-07  6:38           ` tomas
2024-06-07  6:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07  7:38           ` Robert Pluim
2024-06-07 11:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-06-07 11:17               ` Po Lu [this message]
2024-06-07  8:12           ` tomas
2024-06-09  2:16     ` Richard Stallman
2024-06-09 18:12     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-06-09 18:27       ` Eli Zaretskii

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