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From: Michael Heerdegen via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com>,
	73853@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
Subject: bug#73853: 31.0.50; Should and-let* become a synonym for when-let*?
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2024 10:16:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87msipkisv.fsf@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=uWFSj1wLbGhm00-oz9AtXAGN7BsC_e+yJ5bOxNkszSw@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 27 Oct 2024 00:08:20 -0700")

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On the other hand, the way bindings work in 'if-let*' and 'when-let*'
> > are closer to 'let*' than 'let'. I think that's a false friend though,
> > since they're only similar, not actually the same (of course the
> > semantics couldn't be exactly the same or there'd be no reason for
> > 'if-let*' and 'when-let*' to exist).
>
> FWIW, this is the argument that convinced me that the `*`-versions are
> better: bindings are more like in `let` than in `let*`.  To my mind,
> that makes the `*`-naming more self-documenting and clear.

In the meantime I found out that I am not as decided as I thought:

I am actually using both versions in my own code.  Valid arguments for
either name exist - and it even depends on the case:

In this case I prefer the name without star:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(if-let ((a (does-an-a-exist?-then-return-it)))
    (use a)
  (do-something-else))
#+end_src

Here I prefer the name with star:

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(and-let* ((a (an-a-exists))
           (b (b-depending-on-a-also-exists)))
  (test-using a b))
#+end_src

Thinking the first example further we could introduce parallel versions
and name them `if-let', `when-let' and `and-let'.  They would be really
analogue to `let' with respect to binding list semantics - compared to
the non-parallel counterparts `if-let*' that are what we have now.

ATM this idea looks appealing to me as a final goal.



Michael.





  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-27  9:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-17 16:27 bug#73853: 31.0.50; and-let* is useless Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-17 16:40 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-18  2:11 ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-18 23:42   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-19  3:50     ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-21  7:07     ` Augusto Stoffel
2024-10-21  8:57       ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-21 12:09         ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-19  3:38   ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-20 12:24     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-10-22 14:47       ` bug#73853: 31.0.50; Should and-let* become a synonym for when-let*? Sean Whitton
2024-10-22 15:24         ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-23 14:05           ` Stefan Kangas
2024-10-24  8:51             ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-25 12:09               ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-30  9:42                 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-26 19:25           ` Jim Porter
2024-10-27  7:08             ` Stefan Kangas
2024-10-27  9:16               ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2024-10-27 10:12                 ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 11:24                   ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 11:32                     ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-27 11:44                     ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 12:28                       ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 13:10                         ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-27 13:22                         ` Michael Albinus via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28  9:39                           ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 14:41                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28 13:58                   ` Michael Heerdegen via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28 14:32                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-27 20:00                 ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-28  2:15           ` Howard Melman
2024-10-28  3:19             ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-29 15:21 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-10-29 16:36   ` Drew Adams via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2024-10-30  0:49   ` Sean Whitton
2024-10-30 12:55   ` Corwin Brust

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