From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sacha Chua Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: none Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:59:12 +0800 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <87lm5kauhb.fsf@sachac.linuxboxen.org> References: <874rcz2m8z.fsf@sachac.linuxboxen.org> <87it1faxav.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87sn0ity6h.fsf@sachac.linuxboxen.org> <87wupurlqw.fsf@sachac.linuxboxen.org> <20020910232535.GA12446@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1033383130 29820 127.0.0.1 (30 Sep 2002 10:52:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17vy9n-0007kN-00 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:52:07 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17vytQ-0003gU-00 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:39:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vy9x-0005K5-00; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:52:17 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17vy8U-0005Hj-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:50:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10) id 17vy8Q-0005H0-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:50:43 -0400 Original-Received: from pusit.admu.edu.ph ([202.138.180.130]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 17vy8P-0005Ga-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:50:41 -0400 Original-Received: from pusit.admu.edu.ph (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518941B56A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from cersa.admu.edu.ph (cersa.admu.edu.ph [10.2.53.1]) by pusit.admu.edu.ph (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397DA1B52B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:50:36 +0800 (PHT) Original-Received: from sachac.linuxboxen.org (unknown [192.168.0.7]) by cersa.admu.edu.ph (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3291C13A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:53:09 +0800 (PHT) Original-Received: from sacha by sachac.linuxboxen.org with local (masqmail 0.2.11) id 17vtaK-2fV-00 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:59:12 +0800 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.3.50 (i586-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:8250 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:8250 Miles Bader writes: > (a) Moving between menus and sub-menus (it just replaces the contents of > the `menu buffer') is way too heavy-weight. A typical drop-down menu > implementation allows you to quickly scan through submenus seeing Do you think it might be nice to have trees or outlines for menus, like the way customize-browse does it? That seems like a fairly good way of mimicking drop-down menus. Of course, there's something to be said about native menus, but I think that native menus have been discussed on this list before and there's probably a good reason why we're still not using them. > select directly from the list. You can scroll through the list in > the minibuffer using direction keys, but the `disconnected' nature of tmm allows me to cycle through menu items in the minibuffer by pressing the up and down arrow keys. This seems to make sense, and it's actually quite usable with Emacspeak. I still don't like how accelerators change if something gets added to the menu, and the fact that there seems to be no easy way to go back to the previous menu, but it's actually more usable than I thought. It might be nice to see ido-like functionality in the menu, though. =) That would be, like, fun! -- Sacha Chua - 4 BS CS Ateneo geekette interests: emacs, gnu/linux, wearables, teaching compsci