From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Powe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: New Emacs with GTK! Date: 23 Mar 2003 20:01:23 -0500 Organization: The Hospice of the Mind Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <87llz58tng.fsf@cecilia.trollope.org> References: <87el4z9t43.fsf@cecilia.trollope.org> <87vfya3vxy.fsf@cecilia.trollope.org> <86adflzuv4.fsf@bigwalter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048470040 13311 80.91.224.249 (24 Mar 2003 01:40:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 24 02:40:39 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18xGx5-0003SZ-00 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 02:40:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18xGww-0004gp-06 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:40:30 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 45 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p-859.newsdawg.com X-Home-Page: http://www.trollope.org X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.8.8/GNU Emacs 21.2.1 [Linux 2.4.5] X-PGP: http://www.trollope.org/pgp.txt User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:111333 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:7835 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:7835 >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Jensen writes: Daniel> Michael Powe writes: >> how many versions of unix include gtk libraries? i suspect the >> answer is 'none,' but someone can apprise me if i'm wrong. i >> know they are not on solaris 8, openbsd 2.7 or sunos 4.1 >> because i have those. i'd be very surprised if they were on >> freebsd, just because they are gpl. therefore, restricting >> emacs to gtk means restricting its use to linux users who use >> gnome. not likely. Daniel> Why wouldn't FreeBSD use GPL code? They use GCC, right? Daniel> Doesn't OpenBSD do that too? they do use some gpl (gcc, e.g.) but freebsd'ers are among the principal proponents of the "gpl virus" theory. they isolate gpl in their dev tree. they often can be found in gnu.misc.discuss flaming rms. Daniel> And FYI, GTK is not only for GNOME. It's a standard Daniel> toolkit on GNU systems. Many non-GNOME programs use Daniel> it. You obviously know this as you are using XFce, another Daniel> GTK desktop environment. Daniel> I don't argue that Emacs should be GTK only, but I do Daniel> think that GTK is a great step forward for Emacs. It makes Daniel> Emacs blend well together with the rest of the GNU Daniel> desktop, and I think it will encourage more would-be users Daniel> to try it out in the future. yes, it's fine with me, i was more objecting to the tone of the OP, who (along with some others) seems to think that the only user base for emacs is composed of gnome/gtk users on linux. it seems that many who broke away to form Xemacs also thought it would spell the end of GNU emacs. mp -- Michael Powe Waterbury, CT USA ------------------------------------------------------------------- "It stands to reason that self-righteous, inflexible, single-minded, authoritarian true believers are politically organized. Open-minded, flexible, complex, ambiguous, anti-authoritarian people would just as soon be left to mind their own fucking business." - R.U. Sirius