From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Starting emacs without initial frame Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:56:59 -0500 Organization: Bell Sympatico Message-ID: <87ll8jzind.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> References: <87vf7osyho.fsf@rivendell.grasswurzel.nett> <873bus51nr.fsf-monnier+gnu.emacs.help@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111252389 20789 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 17:13:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 18:13:09 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DChVa-00023N-Fg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:13:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DChmI-0001H0-V9 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:30:22 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wns14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4PxgLP4UFyOkK7z61qXcRUp+X5A= Original-Lines: 20 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.68.217.141 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca Original-X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1111251419 67.68.217.141 (Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:56:59 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:56:59 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:129410 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:24965 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:24965 > Kind of stupid that, isn't it? I vaguely recall that Gerd successfully > changed Emacs to map the initial frame only _after_ .emacs was read, but > people who did weird things in their .emacs complained so this eminently > reasonable behavior was dropped for "compatibility". My own local Emacs only creates the initial frame after reading .emacs ;-) It indeed creates a few incompatibilities (e.g. startup.el can't properly set the default of normal-erase-is-backspace before reading the .emacs because it needs to query the X server for that, but the connection is not yet opened). > It seems to me that it would be much nicer to have Emacs map the frame > only after .emacs is read, and add a (map-frame) function or something > that people could use to force it to map earlier. People may be annoyed at the "loading foo..." messages on stdout, tho. Also my code currently breaks --debug-init. Stefan