From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Avoiding moving point into minibuffer prompt area Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:59:28 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87ll3288tb.fsf@jurta.org> References: <43014167.5000109@student.lu.se> <200508160413.j7G4Dt106348@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <4301AC2B.7040104@student.lu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1124193171 8000 80.91.229.2 (16 Aug 2005 11:52:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: teirllm@dms.auburn.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 16 13:52:43 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4zyz-00029l-5L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:51:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E502M-0006nm-9O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:55:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E4zEB-000156-RF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:03:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1E4zDM-0000lA-Qo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:02:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4zDD-0007w2-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:02:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.111] (helo=mail.neti.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1E4z8s-0003sP-4Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 06:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-32-216-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.32.216]) by Relayhost2.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056CA1E1D; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:41:46 +0300 (EEST) Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-Reply-To: <4301AC2B.7040104@student.lu.se> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:04:43 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) (Debian) at neti.ee X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:42114 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:42114 > The current behaviour is probably not what a new user expects. > I can't think of any other program that behaves like this. > Shell prompt for example do not. > > I agree with Drew that the default should be that "Inviolable" > should be on (it should not be possible to move the point into the > minibuffer prompt). Is not that in line with how we have thought in > other similar cases? It is useful to move point into the minibuffer prompt without changing default settings. But since this can be confusing for beginners, maybe it should be more difficult to move point into the prompt area by default? For example, to disable moving point into the prompt with C-b, but allow C-a at the beginning of the input area to move point to the beginning of the prompt. This is like C-a (`message-beginning-of-line') works on message header fields. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/