From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jay Belanger Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info tutorial is out of date Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 15:13:59 -0500 Message-ID: <87lkqt2tq0.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> References: <87r70l2xza.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <44BA9257.9060602@student.lu.se> Reply-To: belanger@truman.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1153080870 14917 80.91.229.2 (16 Jul 2006 20:14:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 20:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: belanger@truman.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 16 22:14:28 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2D0N-0000En-4M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:14:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2D0M-0008Sl-IE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:14:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2D09-0008SR-L4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:14:05 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1G2D07-0008S9-3l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:14:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1G2D07-0008S6-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:14:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [24.116.0.227] (helo=S1.cableone.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1G2D2c-0006xS-HF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:16:38 -0400 Original-Received: from vh213602.truman.edu.truman.edu (unverified [24.116.73.175]) by S1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S1) with ESMTP id 67212463 for multiple; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:14:27 -0700 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <44BA9257.9060602@student.lu.se> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sun, 16 Jul 2006 21:24:07 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 60, in=26, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.73.175 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:57119 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > Jay Belanger wrote: >>> Save the teaching of why it's better to learn to use the keyboard >>> for later. >>> >> >> When it will be too late for many. If indeed it is better to use the >> keyboard (and I think it is), it seems a bad idea to begin by teaching >> bad habits, however easy these habits may be. >> > I too think that the keyboard is better, but in my mind is right now a > song with an awful text: > > "If you want to teach them they can't learn then make sure they have to > learn a lot of details at once." > > I am sure someone has some better text for this! ;-) Is that an actual song? I like it. What is the name of it? I'm sure most people agree with the sentiment, too. But what little at a time is being taught, should be taught correctly. If the consensus is that using the mouse is the right way, fine; but I disagree with the idea of letting bad habits form and overcoming them later. Jay