From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:18:25 +0900 Message-ID: <87lk6a5mvy.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <4pd9g15e.fsf@blue.sea.net> <87r6g7z3m2.fsf@everybody.org> <87odbbngr8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080125231308.57E9A30303@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <873aslsck9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85bq77yxpf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <854pcytnjy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1201511636 8484 80.91.229.12 (28 Jan 2008 09:13:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 09:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 28 10:14:12 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JJQ49-0002dF-EC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:14:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJQ3h-00017m-Ng for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:13:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJQ2r-0000ic-4U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:12:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJQ2p-0000i2-Cz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:12:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJQ2p-0000hz-71 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:12:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JJQ2b-0003Wc-EX; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:12:33 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF2F1535BC; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:12:31 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5709C1A29E5; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:18:26 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <854pcytnjy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" (+CVS-20071205) XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87699 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Using a package is not the same as supporting it: it actually places > additional burdens on its developers. When there are no additional > resources moved to them as well, their package has no tangible advantage > from this sort of "support". And when this makes the sitation worse at > the "supporting" package, the total situation is a loss for GNU. But this has become an abstract policy discussion, because I don't think either is true in the case in point. bzr is well-endowed with development resources, as it is a mission- critical part of its maintainer's[1] infrastructure, but small in comparison to the organization as a whole. They are not going to notice additional burden from Emacs's use. Nor is it going to make the Emacs development environment worse than continued dependence on CVS does. I don't know of any projects that switched from CVS or Subversion to bzr that ever looked back. Footnotes: [1] Well, of course the GNU maintainer (is there one/more yet? couldn't find one) will not be a corporation, but for these purposes bzr is maintained by Canonical, not by any one person.