From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: User-Agent header Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:44:56 +0900 Message-ID: <87lk5aezyv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <200802232244.m1NMiK5I014327@localhost.localdomain> <87oda6fc5o.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878x1agpsh.fsf@olgas.newt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203892762 1341 80.91.229.12 (24 Feb 2008 22:39:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bill Wohler Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 24 23:39:47 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JTPVU-0000nD-TN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:39:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JTPUz-00039a-Gq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:39:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JTPTg-0002cy-Vw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:37:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JTPTf-0002c8-DX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:37:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JTPTe-0002bz-Vs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:37:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JTPTe-00033N-8A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:37:46 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FBB71535A8; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:37:33 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 630BB1A29E5; Mon, 25 Feb 2008 07:44:57 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <878x1agpsh.fsf@olgas.newt.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" 42711a251efd XEmacs Lucid X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90300 Archived-At: Bill Wohler writes: > And until this draft is promoted to RFC status, Never gonna happen. It would be sacrilege. I note that the draft expired 7 months ago, although it's still in the editor's queue. > MH-E is still using X-Mailer (although we could update the format > of the header field to conform with this draft). That's the right thing to do for a mail-only MUA, IMO. > Assuming this draft applies to mail header fields. It doesn't. It applies to netnews. It is the devout wish of the newsies that mail agents adopt their practices too, but they've often failed in that (cf mail-followup-to). And the spec of User-Agent is mildly broken in any case, as it permits characters that RFC 2616 doesn't (the braces "{" and "}"). > The draft refers to Usenet header fields in the "context" of RFCs 2822 > and 2045; does that imply that this document "extends" RFCs 2822 and > 2045? Not in the sense that it would impose or imply new practices for mail-only agents, nor justify Gnus users' practice of inserting news-only headers in mail messages and expecting them to operate as they do in news. It means that it is a conforming implementation of those RFCs (and in fact is a substantial restriction of them in several ways).