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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	Jason Rumney <jasonr@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: utf-16le vs utf-16-le
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:17:35 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lk3dpfvk.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvve2hgbz3.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:35:24 -0400")

>>> Emacs behaves correctly IMO, since its behavior is tuned for reading
>>> text, and BOM is not part of the text.  If you want to debug the
>>> programs that generated that text, you can always use no-conversion or
>>> find-file-literally.
>
>> But you don't know what you are debugging until Emacs (or something else)
>> points out the unexpected BOM.  Indicating the presence of a BOM isn't
>> really any different to indicating the encoding, though a better (more
>> noticeable) UI might be some indicator in the left fringe on the first line
>> of the file, rather than just a change to the character in the modeline.
>
> We could use an approach similar to non-breaking space, where the BOM is
> made visible just like any other char, with a special face.  Ideally it
> would also be somehow protected from accidental removal,

There is currently one way to display the BOM in Emacs: visiting
a file that contains the BOM with a BOM-less coding (e.g. visiting
a utf-16le-with-signature file forcing the utf-16le coding) displays
at the beginning of the buffer a big ugly character that looks like
some screen garbage.  There is some interesting information about it:

  name: ZERO WIDTH NO-BREAK SPACE
  old-name: BYTE ORDER MARK

This looks like it was once renamed, and a new name hints not to
display it due to its supposed zero width.

Maybe then a better indication would be in the modeline by displaying
the name of the coding with signature explicitly like "U(BOM)".

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/




  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-16 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-13 14:54 utf-16le vs utf-16-le Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-13 19:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-14  5:17   ` Kenichi Handa
2008-04-14  6:10     ` David Kastrup
2008-04-14 18:54       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-14 19:04         ` David Kastrup
2008-04-14 17:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-14 18:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-13 22:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-14  3:19   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-14  7:32     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-14  8:20       ` David Kastrup
2008-04-14 18:25         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-14 18:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-14 21:01             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-14 21:15               ` Andreas Schwab
2008-04-15  0:22                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-15  3:25               ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-15 16:51                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-15 20:09                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-15 20:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-15 20:35                       ` David Kastrup
2008-04-16 20:15                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-16 20:32                       ` David Kastrup
2008-04-17  3:23                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-17  3:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-17  7:44                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-17  8:19                               ` Jan Djärv
2008-04-17 12:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-17 17:20                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-17 18:03                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-16 22:09                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-17  1:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-14 20:20           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-14 20:58             ` David Kastrup
2008-04-14 22:19               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-14 22:26                 ` David Kastrup
2008-04-14 22:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-15  5:44                     ` David Kastrup
2008-04-15 15:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-14 21:35             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-14  5:17 ` Kenichi Handa
2008-04-14 13:57   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-14  7:02 ` tomas
2008-04-14 17:45   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-15  7:38     ` tomas
2008-04-15 22:30       ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-16  3:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-16  8:12           ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-16 13:35             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-16 14:45               ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-16 17:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-16 20:09               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-04-16 23:17               ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2008-04-16 23:42                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-04-17  1:03                   ` Kenichi Handa

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