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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100844 Archived-At: On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:03 -0400, Karl Fogel said: > Don Armstrong writes: >>> The only thing this does is to prevent the loading of the >>> site-start.el in the standard Emacs place, i.e. >>> /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/ (This is documented on page "Init >>> File" of the Emacs manual.) >> >> Configuration files such as site-start.el need to be in /etc by FHS, >> and by Debian policy. > Why not put a line in the regular site-start.el -- the one in the > Emacs-standard location, not the one in /etc/emacs/site-start.el -- > that loads /etc/emacs/site-start.el? > Or if the problem is that Debian isn't allowed to touch anything under > /usr/local/, then put code in /etc/emacs/site-start.el that loads > /usr/share/.../site-start.el and /usr/local/share/.../site-start.el > (and same for any other potentially blocked 'site-start.el's). While Debian maintainers can not touch anything under /usr/local, Debian install emacs with the PREFIX=/usr, and /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el Could be made to load the file under /etc. > Wouldn't that solve all the problems here? Either the symlink or the modified version put in $PREFIX/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.el will solve the issue, yes. > Do you need a bug filed at bugs.debian.org, or is this email enough? I'll file the bug report. Mind you, I am not the maintainer, so I can't guarantee how fast it will be acted upon, but I'll at least put in a pointer to this discussion in my bug report. manoj -- Genius is one percent inspiration and ninety-nine percent perspiration. Thomas Alva Edison Manoj Srivastava 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C