From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: bob@rattlesnake.com (Robert J. Chassell) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:36:55 +0000 Message-ID: <87ljytkwpk.fsf@rattlesnake.com> References: <48A5BAD7.8030302@emf.net> <48A740CB.4050404@emf.net> <20080816213508.GA8530@muc.de> <87hc9ka8eg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080817073124.GA1294@muc.de> <87ljyv5gy5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818101802.GA2615@muc.de> <87bpzqqk7b.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080818210927.GD2615@muc.de> <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1219150754 13104 80.91.229.12 (19 Aug 2008 12:59:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:59:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 19 15:00:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KVQoJ-0007Ro-4q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:59:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43111 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVQnM-0001f6-6P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:58:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVQm7-0001IH-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:57:27 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KVQm6-0001Hv-O4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:57:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57087 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KVQm6-0001Hr-LN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:57:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mdm177-25.arc106.smfrct1.dasdial.com ([66.6.177.25]:59407 helo=rattlesnake.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KVQm5-0004SJ-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:57:26 -0400 Original-Received: by rattlesnake.com via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.115) Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:36:56 +0000 (UTC) In-reply-to: <87wsidnxqp.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Greylist: delayed 1223 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:57:25 EDT X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:102651 Archived-At: > I do not accept, as a criterion for freedom, that it is > permissible to consider a person's actions divorced from the > effect on his neighbours. That's a very strange philosophy of freedom. No, it depends on your culture. The US, Great Britain, and to a large extent, western Europe, think that. But others (in the early 1990s, Japan and Singapore, according to Charles Hampden-Turner and Alfons Trompenaars, "The Seven Cultures of Capitalism") are more communitarian. (You need both. For example, one person will invent and many people will innovate.) Weirdly enough, over the past century or so, most independence movements have favored communitarian culture, possibly because you cannot have warriors or soldiers without such a culture. Freedom *means* that you may do something without concern for interference from your government or your neighbors. That is individualist freedom. I think it is good, but then I am American and don't trust my government or any authority that is not harmonizing. -- Robert J. Chassell GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 bob@rattlesnake.com bob@gnu.org http://www.rattlesnake.com http://www.teak.cc