From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Wiki Revision History Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:26:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87ljwhaskz.fsf@gmail.com> References: <251d6b72-b760-411b-8c35-83a7788e2491@u75g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <68deb805-c16f-48ec-96a1-5dd8fd7e5e48@x1g2000prh.googlegroups.com> <56aa1c42-303b-4150-8d96-9159487244e2@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1224667685 22900 80.91.229.12 (22 Oct 2008 09:28:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 22 11:29:03 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Ksa1O-0007ym-Pa for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:28:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57322 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ksa0J-0008B2-6J for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:27:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KsZzk-00087Z-0l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:27:12 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KsZzg-00086K-1b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:27:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33770 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KsZzf-000865-Pg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]:55817) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KsZzf-0004HV-8u for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 05:27:07 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so278277fgb.30 for ; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:27:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:to:cc:subject:references:from :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Hkt8lSlKerFvATTWYjX+avI0xCZ/o9GqhL06Hhi9U8E=; b=s1zrJcjFnnz1UDpguAtdoOpZhC1jhpirYzFz+YXcn/Nn5aLpAvFjmRzSfLn/VHtgui ScY7OjF2mGoU00KMT1n6B3cpzDu94Q4mTdmO2strqzWw97Tv0O+APJ/FHI7AJMLv8/4h KMa8qWalgqY4/MHCPnV8Xyv1QAHrf46zpc2mU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=to:cc:subject:references:from:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=RI2LroiaNMz0xRYkOSdXgo4U2xlGbB+pG2OMu8r9JmcDSu+XyGB5l2Xv0/6CGE7PoN Uai8NqyuiDoKT1vKLbbpjINvyGm5U7e40PUA+AEW9MXkwVtU3gRzkraQ4P7pd8kX34TL TVTLK2r3npJ0N5xE5expcm1IzAVWCL3xciz6E= Original-Received: by 10.86.29.8 with SMTP id c8mr758383fgc.23.1224667625506; Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:27:05 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (pdc35-1-82-242-132-111.fbx.proxad.net [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm15819303fgb.6.2008.10.22.02.27.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:27:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <56aa1c42-303b-4150-8d96-9159487244e2@40g2000prx.googlegroups.com> (Xah's message of "Tue\, 21 Oct 2008 11\:55\:22 -0700 \(PDT\)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59024 Archived-At: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:55:22 -0700 (PDT), Xah said: Xah> (2) The content, is kinda haphazard. It is somewhat in-between of Xah> a encyclopedia-style treatment like Wikipedia and a chaotic Xah> online forum. Specifically, when you visit a article, half of Xah> article will be dialogues between different users on tips or Xah> issues or preferences. This is the only statement I can agree with. But AFAICT, Alex has been most of the time on his own to create and maintain emacswiki software. I guess he would welcome some help concerning hosting, development or administration. Also, Wikipedia success is mostly unrelated to the wiki engine sitting below. MediaWiki would be a poor choice for emacswiki, IMO. Alex, have you considered using a third party wiki engine for emacs wiki before ? Is there a page where you state your current position on that ? The only thing I feel concerned about oddmuse is the time you may have to spend to maintain it, although I have no idea whether it is high or low, and whether you enjoy doing it or not. In case you are looking for a good quality free software package that could maybe run emacswiki, I would point to DokuWiki. Light and powerfull, no database, very good parsing capabilities hence easy-to-write plugins for various syntax enhencements. Some dokuwiki-syntax modes are already around. In many ways it shares design patterns with oddmuse. I had very good experiences with it for various purposes, and although I usually have some scepticism with "cool php software", I must admit this one is reliable and very well written. In the meantime, thank you Alex for running emacswiki, a precious ressource. -- Paul http://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki http://www.dokuwiki.org/features