From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Robert D. Crawford" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs should have a good web-browser Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:37:09 -0500 Message-ID: <87ljmh93ii.fsf@comcast.net> References: <87ocrjl2r6.fsf@gmail.com> <87zlb2bwyj.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87bpnefl73.fsf@gmail.com> <1248196427.7551.38.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> <87prbt954b.fsf@comcast.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1248208680 28307 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2009 20:38:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:38:00 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 21 22:37:53 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MTM5s-0008PN-7i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:37:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48001 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTM5r-0003vo-Mx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:37:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTM5e-0003nJ-MW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MTM5a-0003iK-6Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35863 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MTM5Z-0003i4-Ql for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:37:29 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:47789 helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MTM5Z-00041V-Ez for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:37:29 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1MTM5W-00034I-6j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:37:26 +0000 Original-Received: from c-98-211-29-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net ([98.211.29.41]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:37:26 +0000 Original-Received: from rdc1x by c-98-211-29-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:37:26 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 27 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-211-29-41.hsd1.tn.comcast.net Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:frYSfVBBMTPtL0FOTvmzJJny1uM= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112955 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > Is emacspeak in any way dependent on w3 or could it do equally well if > emacs-w3m could use another web browser to do what it does now? emacspeak is not dependent on any particular browser, it is just dependent on emacs. I can use w3 or w3m... both work equally well as far as getting the content rendered to a buffer so that it can be spoken. The differences are mainly in what can be done in each browser e.g. in w3 you can navigate tables cell-by-cell and there are some limitations imposed by the underlying w3m that mean it cannot render certain tags in different faces. So, yes, if emacs-w3m used a different backend it should work equally well. I think the main point is that the web page gets rendered as _text_, marked up in different faces to denote various tags and presented just as any other buffer. One of the nice things about this sort of set-up is that transformations can be made to the text before it is rendered. A good example is transforming table based layouts so that each cell becomes a paragraph, making it possible to read in a linear fashion. Thanks, rdc -- Robert D. Crawford rdc1x@comcast.net