From: Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Mail mode vs message mode
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:20:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lji3od0l.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r5rvvknw.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:53:55 -0500")
On Wed, Nov 18 2009, Chong Yidong wrote:
> Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:
[ derive message-from-style's default from mail-from-style ]
>> I don't like this. The current default value of message-from-style
>> tries to avoid quoting if possible and therefore is preferable to
>> `angles'. BTW, message-mode doesn't handle the value
>> `system-default'.
>
> We should switch the mail-mode default to `angles'.
mail-from-style already is `angles' in Emacs 23.1, isn't it?
But deriving message-from-style from mail-from-style would change the
latter from `default' to `angles' (as I already tried to explain).
> Not sure what to do about the `system-default' setting; maybe we
> should deprecate it, as I'm not sure it's useful anymore.
AFAICS, in message-mode, setting message-from-style to
`system-default' leads to a plain "From: foo@bar" header i.e. without
the user name (user-full-name). So probably this is not a problem.
>> If I understand the correctly, the goal is not to provide full
>> compatibility with mail-mode but to have a default mail composition
>> mode that handles MIME correctly. So how about simply providing a
>> function, say `message-initalize-from-mail-mode' that initializes
>> message variables and hooks from the corresponding mail-mode ones?
>
> One minor problem: Customize would complain about the value being
> changed from the default. In general, it's not nice to set the default
> value of a variable outside of its defcustom, as that can lead to
> confusion.
Well, it's not really about setting the default value since it is
change made by the user like any other setq change.
> We can do it your way if you really object to making the message-mode
> options default to the corresponding mail-* options, but I'd like to
> know the reasoning first. (If any of the default values for the mail-*
> options grate, like mail-from-style, we can change them.)
If the message-mode defaults aren't changed by deriving from mail-*, I
don't object.
I'd certainly object to any change that makes message-mode less
"standard" compliant ("standards" like RFCs, GNKSA [1], good common
practice, ...). Changing the default `message-yank-prefix' to nil
violates GNKSA, item 10 b and c:
,----[ http://www.newsreaders.com/gnksa/cgi/gnksa-form.cgi ]
| 10. Provides adequate quotation and attribution facilities
|
| b. Clearly distinguishes quoted material
| c. Prefixes quoted material with `>' (or `> ' for the "first" followup)
`----
I didn't check all the other variables you listed.
I doubt that adjusting the mail-* default and the message-* defaults
is worth the effort: user who dislike the message-* values may ...
- stay with mail-mode (by customizing `mail-user-agent' back to
`sendmail-user-agent')
- use the suggested `message-initalize-from-mail-mode' function.
- customize those few options that (s)he really cares about
Bye, Reiner.
[1] GNKSA (The Good Net-Keeping Seal of Approval)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-18 19:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-15 21:22 Mail mode vs message mode Chong Yidong
2009-11-15 22:55 ` Xavier Maillard
2009-11-16 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-16 9:56 ` Xavier Maillard
2009-11-17 1:14 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-17 22:59 ` Xavier Maillard
2009-11-16 4:57 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-17 16:51 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-17 21:10 ` Reiner Steib
2009-11-18 16:53 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-18 19:20 ` Reiner Steib [this message]
2009-11-19 14:56 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-11-19 16:53 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-20 0:07 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2009-11-22 15:55 ` Reiner Steib
2009-11-24 9:19 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2009-11-25 21:40 ` Reiner Steib
2009-11-25 23:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-25 23:13 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-26 1:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-26 1:43 ` Miles Bader
2009-11-28 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-11-27 8:41 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2009-11-27 14:51 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-29 0:32 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2009-11-29 18:49 ` Chong Yidong
2009-11-30 0:00 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2009-11-22 15:55 ` Reiner Steib
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