From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Basic Bazaar guide for Emacs hackers. Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:35:09 -0600 Message-ID: <87ljhocc82.fsf@canonical.com> References: <87skbzblp5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87y6log42q.fsf@red-bean.com> <87y6lo8zgi.fsf@telefonica.net> <87638sy5ab.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tywc8u7t.fsf@telefonica.net> <87y6lowm3h.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ljho8pgt.fsf@telefonica.net> <87vdgswewc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1259593199 9782 80.91.229.12 (30 Nov 2009 14:59:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 15:59:52 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NF7jD-0004uw-Bf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:59:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42449 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NF7jC-00040y-UM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:59:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NF7e0-0002Es-3W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:54:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NF7dy-0002Dg-5u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:54:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39508 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NF7dy-0002DZ-06 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:54:26 -0500 Original-Received: from adelie.canonical.com ([91.189.90.139]:42213) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NF7LS-0006qW-Tc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:35:19 -0500 Original-Received: from hutte.canonical.com ([91.189.90.181]) by adelie.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 #1 (Debian)) id 1NF7LO-0004Wl-E9; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:35:14 +0000 Original-Received: from 173-109-241-128.pools.spcsdns.net ([173.109.241.128] helo=kfogel-work) by hutte.canonical.com with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NF7LO-0000wt-0w; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:35:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87vdgswewc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (Stephen J. Turnbull's message of "Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:17:07 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117967 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: > > It seems contradictory to point out the cost of support associated to > > having several workflows and then reintroduce one workflow when the > > author deleted it for alleviating the problem. > > It would be if (a) Karl and I were the same person and (b) the wiki > reported conflicts. Yes. I had no awareness I was "recovering" the page -- I never knew that it had been deleted! :-) My editing session on that page started before the deletion. But I don't regret having revived it, now that it makes clear that we recommend a more dVCS-ish way, and that BzrForEmacsDevs is a superset of it. As Glenn Morris and a couple of others have requested that it stay around, I certainly won't delete it. The main thing is to provide clear directions for those coming in with no prior opinion. People who already know they prefer the quick-start guide are best served by getting one -- for me, the only question was how to provide that to them *without* confusing anyone else, and I think we've found a way to do that. -Karl