From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX. Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:01:04 +0900 Message-ID: <87ljduo0tr.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <87ocitw2dl.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pr371rl2.fsf@gnu.org> <87y6huo8j7.fsf_-_@rimspace.net> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268614894 23296 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 01:01:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 01:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Pittman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 02:01:26 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NqygP-0001ZP-Lw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:01:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55469 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqygP-0003iX-AD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:01:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NqygK-0003iH-4v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:01:20 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47461 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NqygD-0003i9-ML for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:01:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqyg8-0005Cb-Bf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:01:13 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:40899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqyg8-0005CT-3W; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 21:01:08 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.253.174.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.253.174] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1Nqyg5-0007NZ-0L; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:01:05 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D45332BD4A; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:01:04 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87y6huo8j7.fsf_-_@rimspace.net> (Daniel Pittman's message of "Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:14:36 +1100") Original-Lines: 20 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121981 Archived-At: Daniel Pittman writes: > [3] ...the articles discussing actual research into scroll-bar placement, > posted earlier in this thread, suggest that "on the right" was the best > option twenty years ago, and it is now even more embedded in the learned > experience of computing. Note that in the articles quoted by Chong, no actual research seems to have been done, and their reasoning isn't particularly compelling: it comes down to "well, because people use their right hand with the mouse", and "it reduces visual clutter". Not obviously _wrong_ of course (you apparently feel the same way about clutter), but not exactly a slam-dunk either... -Miles -- Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive, there is something wrong with him. -- Art Buchwald